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Written by David Ramsey   
Tuesday, 21 September 2010

AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU Review

AMD is introducing several new processors, filling out holes in the low-to-mid-range of their desktop AM3 product line. The 6-core Phenom II X6 1075T HDT75TFBGRBOX slots neatly in between the $199 2.8GHz 1050T and the $299 3.2GHz 1090T Black Edition with a clock speed of 3.0GHz and a lower-than-expected price of $239.00. Like its six-core stablemates, the 1075T uses Turbo Core technology to boost its clock speed from 3.0 to 3.5GHz (which is just 100MHz shy of the 1090T's Turbo Core speed) when three or fewer cores are in use. Benchmark Reviews tests the new 1075T against a collection of Intel and AMD processors in gaming and computing performance.

Although many have forgotten it now, there was a time when AMD processors (starting with the Athlon 64 series) handily outperformed their Intel equivalents. AMD was the first company to ship a processor with a stock clock speed of 1GHz, back in 2000 (Intel's 1GHz Pentium III shipped a few days later). A few years later, I built a system using the then-new dual-core Athlon 64 X2 processor for encoding video, and it absolutely stomped my existing dual-processor Pentium III-833 system.

But that was then, and this is now, and AMD has ceded the high end processor market to Intel, while working on their position in the low-to-mid end of the market. For enthusiasts, this has been a boon, since desktop processors reached the "fast enough" mark some time ago, and money saved on a CPU can be invested in other parts of the system, often with better overall performance results. Paired with AMD's new 800 series chipsets, which offer extra PCI-E lanes for SATA 6G and USB 3.0 without needing expensive add-ons like the NVIDIA NF-200, AMD's Thuban processors offer the enthusiast a way to build an affordable, yet very powerful and versatile, 6-core production or gaming system.

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As current manufacturing techniques hit a "megaHertz wall" at about 4GHz a few years ago, Intel and AMD have been working on making multi-core CPUs, and it's a rare system these days that's not equipped with at least two cores. As software evolves to take advantage of the performance benefits offered by multiple native threads, we'll see the performance of multi-core systems continue to improve. By driving the cost of 6-core processors downwards, AMD's Phenom II X6 line keeps the price of these capabilities within reach of the average enthusiast.

Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices
Product Name: Phenom II X6 1075T
Model Number: HDT75TFBGRBOX (Retail) HDT75TFBK6DGR (OEM)
Price As Tested: $199.99 at Amazon or NewEgg

Full Disclosure: The product sample used in this article has been provided by Advanced Micro Devices.

Phenon II X6 1075T Features

The following information is courtesy of Advanced Micro Devices.

Turbo CORE Technology

AMD Turbo CORE technology enables maximum performance for any given task; depending on the application workload. AMD Phenom II X6 processors can power extreme multitasking for productivity across 6 cores or shift power to three cores and boost frequency. AMD Turbo Core technology runs seamlessly in the background within the provided TDP limits and works with your Windows operating system automatically to maximize performance.

AMD64 with Direct Connect Architecture

  • Helps improve system performance and efficiency by directly connecting the processors, the memory controller, and the I/O to the CPU.
  • Designed to enable simultaneous 32- and 64-bit computing
  • Integrated Memory Controller
    • Benefits: Increases application performance by dramatically reducing memory latency
    • Scales memory bandwidth and performance to match compute needs
    • HyperTransport Technology provides up to 16.0GB/s peak bandwidth per processor-reducing I/O bottlenecks
    • Up to 37GB/s total delivered processor-to-system bandwidth (HyperTransport bus + memory bus)

AMD Balanced Smart Cache

  • Shared L3 cache (6MB)
  • 512K L2 cache per core
    • Benefit: Shortened access times to the highly accessed data for better performance.

AMD Wide Floating Point Accelerator

  • 128-bit floating point unit (FPU)
  • High performance (128bit internal data path) floating point unit per core.
    • Benefit: Larger data paths and quicker floating point calculations for better performance.

HyperTransport Technology

  • One 16-bit link at up to 4000MT/s
  • Up to 8.0GB/s HyperTransport I/O bandwidth; Up to 16GB/s in HyperTransport Generation 3.0 mode
  • Up to 37GB/s total delivered processor-to-system bandwidth (HyperTransport bus + memory bus)
    • Benefit: Quick access times to system I/O for better performance.

Integrated DRAM Controller with AMD Memory Optimizer Technology

  • A high-bandwidth, low-latency integrated memory controller
  • Supports PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066); PC2-6400 (DDR2-800), PC2-5300 (DDR2-667), PC2-4200 (DDR2-533) or PC2-3200 (DDR2-400) SDRAM unbuffered DIMMs - AM2+
  • Support for unregistered DIMMs up to PC2 8500 (DDR2-1066MHz) and PC3 10600 (DDR3-1333MHz) - AM3
  • Up to 17.1GB/s memory bandwidth for DDR2 and up to 21GB/s memory bandwidth for DDR3
    • Benefit: Quick access to system memory for better performance.

AMD Virtualization (AMD-V) Technology With Rapid Virtualization Indexing

  • Silicon feature-set enhancements designed to improve the performance, reliability, and security of existing and future virtualization environments by allowing virtualized applications with direct and rapid access to their allocated memory.
    • Benefit: Helps virtualization software to run more securely and efficiently enabling a better experience when dealing with virtual systems

AMD PowerNow! Technology (Cool'n'Quiet Technology)

  • Enhanced power management features which automatically and instantaneously adjusts performance states and features based on processor performance requirements
  • For quieter operation and reduced power requirements
    • Benefit: Enables cooler and quieter platform designs by providing extremely efficient performance and energy usage.

AMD CoolCore Technology

  • Reduces processor energy consumption by turning off unused parts of the processor. For example, the memory controller can turn off the write logic when reading from memory, helping reduce system power.
  • Works automatically without the need for drivers or BIOS enablement.
  • Power can be switched on or off within a single clock cycle, saving energy with no impact to performance.
    • Benefit: Helps users get more efficient performance by dynamically activating or turning off parts of the processor.

Dual Dynamic Power Management

  • Enables more granular power management capabilities to reduce processor energy consumption.
  • Separate power planes for cores and memory controller, for optimum power consumption and performance, creating more opportunities for power savings within the cores and memory controller.
    • Benefit: Helps improve platform efficiency by providing on demand memory performance while still allowing for decreased system power consumption

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Specifications

  • Model Number & Core Frequency: X6 1075T / 3.5GHz (Turbo) / 3.0GHz (Base)
  • Part Number: HDT75TFBGRBOX
  • True Six Core Processing
  • AMD Turbo CORE Technology
  • L1 Cache: 64K of L1 instruction and 64K of L1 data cache per core (768KB total L1 per processor)
  • L2 Cache: 512KB of L2 data cache per core (3MB total L2 per processor)
  • L3 Cache: 6MB Shared
  • Total Cache (L2+L3): 9M
  • Memory Controller Type: Integrated 128-bit wide memory controller
  • Memory Controller Speed: Up to 2.0GHz with Dual Dynamic Power Management
  • Types of Memory Supportred: Unregistered DIMMs up to PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066MHz) -AND- PC3-10600 (DDR3-1333MHz)
  • HyperTransport 3.0 Specification: One 16-bit/16-bit link @ up to 4.0GHz full duplex (2.0GHz x2)
  • Total Processor-to-System Bandwidth (DDR3-1333): Up to 37.3GB/s total bandwidth [Up to 21.3 GB/s memory bandwidth (DDR3-1333) + 16.0GB/s (HT3)]
  • Total Processor-to-System Bandwidth (DDR3-1066): Up to 33.1GB/s total bandwidth [Up to 17.1 GB/s memory bandwidth (DDR2-1066) + 16.0GB/s (HT3)]
  • Packaging: Socket AM3 938-pin organic micro pin grid array (micro-PGA)
  • 45-nanometer SOI (silicon-on-insulator) technology
  • HyperTransport 3.0 16-bit/16-bit link at up to 4000MT/s full duplex; or up to 16.0GB/s I/O bandwidth
  • Up to 21GB/sec dual channel memory bandwidth
  • Support for unregistered DIMMs up to PC2 8500 (DDR2-1066MHz) and PC3 10600
  • Direct Connect Architecture
  • AMD Balanced Smart Cache
  • AMD Dedicated Multi-cache
  • AMD Virtualization Technology (AMD-V)
  • AMD PowerNow 3.0 Technology
  • AMD Dynamic Power Management
  • Multi-Point Thermal Control
  • AMD CoolCore Technology

Testing and Results

Benchmarking processors is difficult, since it's hard to isolate the CPU performance from the rest of the system. This is especially true when testing the performance several processors across multiple platforms, since things like the motherboard and chipset used will affect the results. In this review I'm running various synthetic and application benchmarks across three different platforms: Intel P55, Intel X58, and AMD 890FX. As one example of the differences between these platforms, the P55 and 890FX use dual-channel memory, while the X58 platform uses triple-channel memory and thus benefits from higher memory bandwidth.

Still, the tests are valid in the sense that anyone using an Intel Core i7-930 will be using it in an X58 system, while Core i5-860 and AMD 965BE processors will likewise be on motherboards with their respective chipsets and architectures. Most of the benchmarks I've chosen should favor raw CPU performance, and I've tried to minimize the intra-system variables by using the same memory, hard disk, and video card for all three platforms. But be aware that it's impossible to completely isolate a processor from the rest of its system in these tests.

All processors were tested at their stock clock rates, but I also tested the Phenom II X6 1075T processor at the highest stable overclock I could achieve, 4.15GHz. This overclock was with the Turbo Core feature disabled, since I like to reach the highest speed all cores can sustain, and Turbo Core could cause the system to crash when it suddenly ramps up the CPU multiplier.

Intel P55 Test Platform

  • Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth 55i (Intel P55) with BIOS 1702
  • Processor: 2.66GHz Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield/Westmere BX8060515750 ($194.99)
  • Processor: 2.80GHz Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield/Westmere BX80613I7980X ($279.99)
  • System Memory: Corsair TRX3X6G1600C8D (4GB 1333MHz CL8-8-8-24)
  • Primary Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST3500418AS 500G 7200RPM
  • Graphics Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 5870 (Catalyst 10.8)

Intel X58 Test Platform

  • Motherboard: ASUS Rampage III Extreme (Intel X58/ICH10R) with BIOS 1802
  • Processor: 2.80GHz Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield/Nehalem BX80601930 ($284.99)
  • Processor: 3.33GHz Intel Core i7-980X Gulftown/Westmere BX80613I7980X ($999.99)
  • System Memory: Corsair TRX3X6G1600C8D (6GB 1333MHz CL8-8-8-24)
  • Primary Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST3500418AS 500G 7200RPM
  • Graphics Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 5870 (Catalyst 10.8)

AMD 890FX Test Platform

  • Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair IV Formula ROG (AMD 890FX/SB850/JMB363) with BIOS 0905
  • Processor: 3.4GHz AMD Phenom II X4-965 HDZ965FBK4DGM ($164.99)
  • Processor: 3.0GHz AMD Phenom II X6 1075T HDT75TFBGRBOX ($245 MSRP)
  • Processor: 4.15GHz AMD Phenom II X6 1075T HDT75TFBGRBOX (overclocked) ($245 MSRP)
  • Processor: 3.2GHz AMD Phenom II X6-1090T HDT90ZFBK6DGR ($295.99)
  • System Memory: Corsair TRX3X6G1600C8D (4GB 1333MHz CL8-8-8-24 / 1477MHz 8-8-8-24)
  • Primary Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST3500418AS 500G 7200RPM
  • Graphics Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 5870 (Catalyst 10.8)

Benchmark Software

  • Operating System: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
  • Lavalys EVEREST Ultimate Edition v5.50
  • Futuremark PCMark Vantage v1.0.2 64-Bit
    • TV and Movies
    • Gaming
    • Music
  • Maxon CINEBENCH R11.5 64-Bit
  • Far Cry 2 "Ranch Small" benchmark
  • SPECviewperf-11:
    • Dassault Systemes CATIA V5R19
    • Lightwave 9.6
    • CEI EnSight 8.2
    • Autodesk Maya 2009
    • Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire 5.0
    • Dassault Systemes SolidWords 2009 SP2
    • Siemens Teamcenter Visualization Mockup
    • Siemens NX 7
  • Handbrake 0.94 video transcoding

CINEBENCH R11.5 Benchmarks

Maxon CINEBENCHis a real-world test suite that assesses the computer's performance capabilities. CINEBENCH is based on Maxon's award-winning animation software, Cinema 4D, which is used extensively by studios and production houses worldwide for 3D content creation. Maxon software has been used in blockbuster movies such as Spider-Man, Star Wars, The Chronicles of Narnia, and many more. CINEBENCH Release 11.5 includes the ability to more accurately test the industry's latest hardware, including systems with up to 64 processor threads, and the testing environment better reflects the expectations of today's production demands. A more streamlined interface makes testing systems and reading results incredibly straightforward.

The CINEBENCH R11.5 test scenario uses all of a system's processing power to render a photorealistic 3D scene, "No Keyframes", the viral animation by AixSponza. This scene makes use of various algorithms to stress all available processor cores, and all the rendering is performed by the CPU: the graphics card is not involved except as a display device. There are two versions of the test: one version uses only a single CPU core; the other version uses as many cores as the processor has, including the "virtual cores" in processors that support Hyper-Threading. The resulting "CineMark" is a dimensionless number only useful for comparisons with results generated from the same version of CINEBENCH.

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In the single-core test, the overclocked AMD Phenom II X6 1075T takes the lead with a score of 1.25, with the Intel 980X in second place at 1.21. The next three places belong to the AMD camp, with the 965BE, 1075T, and 1090TBE all turning in scores within a tenth of a point or so of each other. The remaining Intel processors being up with rear with scores about 5%-8% lower than the AMD processors.

Things change with the multi-core test: the mighty 980X's ability to spawn 12 threads puts it solidly in the lead with a score 22% higher than the second-place overclocked 1075T. The other 6-core AMD processors come in next, followed by the four-core Intel CPUs and the AMD 965BE. Let's see how things look on a "Dollars per CineMark" basis, based on current Newegg prices:

CPU Price Single Multi
Core i5-750 $194.99 $214.27 $55.55
Core i7-860 $283.00 $294.79 $60.47
Core i7-930 $284.99 $290.81 $59.00
Core i7-980X $999.99 $826.44 $112.36
AMD 965BE $164.99 $160.18 $41.25
AMD 1075T $245.00 $233.33 $45.79
AMD 1075T OC $245.00 $196.00 $33.56
AMD 1090TBE $295.99 $274.06 $52.30

The AMD 965 Black Edition wins the "dollars per CineMark" comparison for single-core performance, while the overclocked 1075T wins in multi-core performance value. The Intel Core i7-980X, despite its prodigious performance, is by far the worst bang for the buck.

SPECviewperf 11 tests

The Standard Performance Evaluation Corporation is "...a non-profit corporation formed to establish, maintain and endorse a standardized set of relevant benchmarks that can be applied to the newest generation of high-performance computers." Their free SPECviewperfbenchmark incorporates code and tests contributed by several other companies and is designed to stress computers in a reproducible way. SPECviewperf 11 was released in June 2010 and incorporates an expanded range of capabilities and tests. Note that results from previous versions of SPECviewperf cannot be compared with results from the latest version, as even benchmarks with the same name have been updated with new code and models.

SPECviewperf comprises test code from several vendors of professional graphics modelling, rendering, and visualization software. Most of the tests emphasize the CPU over the graphics card, and have between 5 and 13 sub-sections.

PCT Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire

The proe-05 viewset was created from traces of the graphics workload generated by the Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire5.0 application from PTC. Model sizes range from 7- to 13-million vertices.

This viewset includes state changes as made by the application throughout the rendering of the model, including matrix, material, light and line-stipple changes. All state changes are derived from a trace of the running application.

Siemens Teamcenter Visualization Mockup

The tcvis-02 viewset is based on traces of the Siemens Teamcenter Visualization Mockup application (also known as VisMockup) used for visual simulation. Models range from 10- to 22-million vertices and incorporate vertex arrays and fixed-function lighting.

State changes such as those executed by the application— including matrix, material, light and line-stipple changes— are included throughout the rendering of the model. All state changes are derived from a trace of the running application.

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In Pro/ENGINEER, the AMD processors dominate (although not by much), with only the Intel 980X beating the AMD 965BE and stock-clocked 1075T and 1090T, although its advantage over the much cheaper 1090T is a fraction of a point. The overclocked 1075T wins overall. Multiple cores don't seem to have any advantage in this test; pure clock speed seems to be the critical factor.

The processor rankings swap in the Teamcenter Visualization mockup results, with every Intel processor beating every AMD processor, even to the point of the low-end Core i5-750 posting a better score than the heavily overclocked 1075T. If nothing else, these two tests provide a real-world reminder that some code runs better on AMD CPUs, while other code runs better on Intel CPUs. While the differences are typically minimal enough not to matter to the typical gamer or enthusiast, those who spend their days in front of professional workstations should take note.

Lightwave

The lightwave-01 viewset was created from traces of the graphics workloads generated by the SPECapc for Lightwave 9.6 benchmark.

The models for this viewset range in size from 2.5- to 6-million vertices, with heavy use of vertex buffer objects (VBOs) mixed with immediate mode. GLSL shaders are used throughout the tests. Applications represented by the viewset include 3D character animation, architectural review, and industrial design.

CEI EnSight

The ensight-04 viewset represents engineering and scientific visualization workloads created from traces of CEI's EnSight 8.2 application.

CEI contributed the models and suggested workloads. Models ranging from 36- to 45-million vertices are included in the viewset using display list paths through OpenGL. The last model uses GLSL shaders. State changes as made by the application are included throughout the rendering of the model, including matrix, material, light and line-stipple changes. All state changes are derived from a trace of the running application.

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The EnSight results appear to be relatively processor-insensitive; neither clock speed nor number of cores affect the results significantly. This is not surprising since this test relies mainly on the graphics card's OpenGL driver. The overclocked 1075T turns in the highest score, but it's a mere 3% better than the lowest score (the Intel Core i7-930).

The Lightwave results are quite interesting, and seem to favor Intel. Performance scales well in the Intel camp, with scores going up with both clock speed and number of cores. In the AMD arena, extra cores don't seem to buy you much, with the stock-clocked hexacore 1075T and 1090T turning in results only very slightly better than the quad-core 965BE. The overclocked 1075T wins, but not by anywhere near the margin one would expect from the 33% improvement in its clock rate.

Dassault Systemes CATIA

The catia-03 viewset was created from traces of the graphics workload generated by the CATIAV5 R19 and CATIA V6 R2009 applications from Dassault Systemes.

Three models are measured using various modes in CATIA. Phil Harris of LionHeart Solutions, developer of CATBench2003, supplied SPECgpc with the models used to measure the CATIA application. The models are courtesy of CATBench2003 and CATIA Community. The models, ranging in size from 6.3- to 25-million vertices, use a variety of common CATIA graphics modes. Both CATIA V5 and V6 are represented using fixed pipeline and ARB vertex and fragment shaders.

Maya

The maya-03 viewset was created from traces of the graphics workload generated by the SPECapc for Maya 2009 benchmark. The models used in the tests range in size from 6- to 66-million vertices, and are tested with and without vertex and fragment shaders.

State changes such as those executed by the application— including matrix, material, light and line-stipple changes— are included throughout the rendering of the models. All state changes are derived from a trace of the running application.

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The Catia benchmark results show little difference between the processors. While the results are not as similar as the EnSight results, there's still very little spread between the various CPUs. In either case, clock speed seems marginally more important than the number of cores.

As with the Seimens Teamcenter Visualization test, the Maya test favors Intel processors, but even more heavily. The modest 2.66GHz, quad-core Intel Core i5-750 handily beats the 4.15GHz, hexacore AMD 1075T. In the AMD camp, clock speed seems to count for more than number of cores, with the stock-clocked 3.0GHz 1075T falling slightly behind the 3.4GHz 965BE.

Solidworks 2009

The sw-03 viewset was created from traces of the graphics workload generated by the Solidworks 2009 SP2 application from Dassault Systemes. Model sizes range from 2- to 20-million vertices in a variety of commonly used SolidWorks render modes, including RealView, which makes use of GLSL shaders.

State changes as made by the application are included throughout the rendering of the model, including matrix, material, light and line-stipple changes. All state changes are derived from a trace of the running application.

Seimens NX

The snx-01viewset is based on traces of the Siemens NX 7 application. The traces represent very large models containing between 11- and 62-million vertices, which are rendered in modes available in Siemens NX 7.

State changes such as those executed by the application— including matrix, material, light and line-stipple changes— are included throughout the rendering of the model. All state changes are derived from a trace of the running application.

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Solidworks results scale nicely with the Intel processors, but are flat for the AMD processors. This makes sense when you look at the clock speeds: the AMD 965BE, 1075T, and 1090T all fall in the 3.0-3.4GHz range, while the Intel processor results scale almost perfectly with clock speed (I say "almost" because the 2.8GHz Core i7-930 turns in noticeably better results then the Core i7-860, even though both are clocked at 2.8GHz). The overclocked AMD 1075T barely edges our the Intel Core i7-980X in this test.

The results for the Seimens NX test are "flat", with little difference between the processors. The winning 980X turns in a score only 9% better than the bottom performing stock-clocked 1075T. As with the EnSight test, it seems as though system factors other than the processor (i.e. probably the video card) make the most difference.

PCMark Vantage Tests

PCMark Vantage is an objective hardware performance benchmark tool for PCs running 32- and 64-bit versions of Microsoft Windows Vista or Windows 7. It's well suited for benchmarking any type of Microsoft Windows Vista/7 PC: from multimedia home entertainment systems and laptops, to dedicated workstations and high-end gaming rigs. Benchmark Reviews has decided to use a few select tests from the suite to demonstrate simulate real-world processor usage in this article. Our tests were conducted on 64-bit Windows 7, with results displayed in the chart below.

TV and Movies Suite

  • TV and Movies 1 (CPU=50%, RAM=2%, GPU=45%, HDD=3%)
    • Two simultaneous threads
    • Video transcoding: HD DVD to media server archive
    • Video playback: HD DVD w/ additional lower bitrate HD content from HDD, as downloaded from net
  • TV and Movies 2 (CPU=50%, RAM=2%, GPU=45%, HDD=3%)
    • Two simultaneous threads
    • Video transcoding: HD DVD to media server archive
    • Video playback, HD MPEG-2: 19.39 Mbps terrestrial HDTV playback
  • TV and Movies 3 (HDD=100%)
    • HDD Media Center
  • TV and Movies 4 (CPU=50%, RAM=2%, GPU=45%, HDD=3%)
    • Video transcoding: media server archive to portable device
    • Video playback, HD MPEG-2: 48 Mbps Blu-ray playback

Gaming Suite*

  • Gaming 1 (CPU=30%, GPU=70%)
    • GPU game test
  • Gaming 2 (HDD=100%)
    • HDD: game HDD
  • Gaming 3 (CPU=75%, RAM=5%, HDD=20%)
    • Two simultaneous threads
    • CPU game test
    • Data decompression: level loading
  • Gaming 4 (CPU=42%, RAM=1%, GPU=24%, HDD=33%)
    • Three simultaneous threads
    • GPU game test
    • CPU game test
    • HDD: game HDD

Music Suite

  • Music 1 (CPU=50%, RAM=3%, GPU=13%, HDD=34%)
    • Three simultaneous threads
    • Web page rendering - w/ music shop content
    • Audio transcoding: WAV -> WMA lossless
    • HDD: Adding music to Windows Media Player
  • Music 2 (CPU=100%)
    • Audio transcoding: WAV -> WMA lossless
  • Music 3 (CPU=100%)
    • Audio transcoding: MP3 -> WMA
  • Music 4 (CPU=50%, HDD=50%)
    • Two simultaneous threads
    • Audio transcoding: WMA -> WMA
    • HDD: Adding music to Windows Media Player

* EDITOR'S NOTE: Hopefully our readers will carefully consider how relative PCMark Vantage is as "real-world" benchmark, since many of the tests rely on unrelated hardware components. For example, per the FutureMark PCMark Vantage White Paper document, Gaming test #2 weighs the storage device for 100% of the test score. In fact, according to PCMark Vantage the video card only impacts 23% of the total gaming score, but the CPU represents 37% of the final score. As our tests in this article (and many others) has already proven, gaming performance has a lot more to do with the GPU than the CPU, and especially more than the hard drive or SSD (which is worth 38% of the final gaming performance score).

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The TV and Movies suite concentrates on video playback and transcoding, but only uses two threads at a maximum, so hexacore processors have little advantage over quad-cores. The results scale pretty much with clock speed, and tend to favor Intel slightly. It's interesting that the 3.33GHz Core i7-980X processor beats out the 4.15GHz AMD 1075T since the other results scale closer to the clock speed differences within each camp.

The Gaming benchmark relies on the hard disk and video card for over 50% of its score (see the Editor's Note above), and we're using the same HDD and video card for all platforms, so the Intel processor's decisive win in this test simply means that Vantage's gaming code is more optimized for Intel processors. Bear in mind, however, that most "real world" games will not show this difference; generally, in games, your video card matters most, followed by the clock speed (not number of cores) of your processor. The PCMark Vantage gaming test can use up to 16 threads, but very few commercial games will take full advantage of multicore processors.

In the Music test, we see that more cores is definitely better, and unlike the Gaming test, these results have more real-world relevance, since multithreading is much more common in music transcoding applications than it is in games. AMD processors do better overall in this test, with the overclocked 1075T eking out a very narrow win (less than 1%) over the mighty Core i7 980X.

Futuremark's weighing of the various system components in each test is the subject of some debate; and some of their choices (such as the Gaming tests's use of a 1024x768 resolution with no anti-aliasing or texture filtering being "representative" to the "consumer experience") seem odd to me, but the TV and Movies and Music benchmarks are reasonable predictors of overall system performance.

Everest Ultimate Tests

Lavalys EVEREST Ultimate Edition is an industry leading system diagnostics and benchmarking solution for enthusiasts PC users, based on the award-winning EVEREST Technology. During system optimizations and tweaking it provides essential system and overclock information, advanced hardware monitoring and diagnostics capabilities to check the effects of the applied settings. CPU, FPU and memory benchmarks are available to measure the actual system performance and compare it to previous states or other systems. Furthermore, complete software, operating system and security information makes EVEREST Ultimate Edition a comprehensive system diagnostics tool that offers a total of 100 pages of information about your PC.

All of the benchmarks used in this test— Queen, Photoworxx, ZLib, and AES— rely on basic x86 instructions, and consume very low system memory while also being aware of Hyper-Threading, multi-processors, and multi-core processors. Of all the tests in this review, Everest is the one that best isolates the processor's performance from the rest of the system. While this is useful in that it more directly compares processor performance, readers should remember that virtually no "real world" programs will mirror these results.

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Queen and Photoworxx tests are synthetic benchmarks that operate the function many times and over-exaggerate by several magnitudeswhat the real-world performance would be like. The Queen benchmark focuses on the branch prediction capabilities and misprediction penalties of the CPU. It does this by finding possible solutions to the classic queen problem on a chessboard. At the same clock speed theoretically the processor with the shorter pipeline and smaller misprediction penalties will attain higher benchmark scores.

Here we see the $164 AMD 965 Black Edition handily beating the $195 Intel Core i5-750, while the $245 AMD 1075T and $299 AMD 1090T run pretty evenly with Intel's $280 i7-860 and $285 i7-930. The overclocked 1075T beats everything except the i7-980X, which runs away from the pack with results 35% better than the next closest competitor.

Like the Queen benchmark, the Photoworxx tests for penalties against pipeline architecture. The synthetic Photoworxx benchmark stresses the integer arithmetic and multiplication execution units of the CPU and also the memory subsystem. Due to the fact that this test performs high memory read/write traffic, it cannot effectively scale in situations where more than two processing threads are used. The EVEREST Photoworxx benchmark performs the following tasks on a very large RGB image:

  • Fill
  • Flip
  • Rotate90R (rotate 90 degrees CW)
  • Rotate90L (rotate 90 degrees CCW)
  • Random (fill the image with random colored pixels)
  • RGB2BW (color to black & white conversion)
  • Difference
  • Crop

Here, we see some interesting results: the lower-end processors tend to do as well as or better than most of their higher-end brethren. This is especially obvious in the AMD camp where the 965 Black Edition performs better than the overclocked 1075T. The worst performance is turned in by the Intel i7-860, and the best, as usual, by the 980X. The reason for these seemingly odd results is that the higher end processors tend to have longer pipelines and more advanced out-of-order execution and branch prediction capabilities. These features can result in substantial performance improvements much of the time, but the longer pipelines come with a penalty: speculative execution of code initiated by a branch predictor is all wasted if the branch goes the other way, so not only did the processor waste thousands or millions of clock cycles executing code it didn't need to, it must also re-load its pipeline with the instructions it was supposed to execute. Developers using Intel compilers should read the several white papers Intel has written about how to structure code to minimize this problem.

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The Zip Library test measures combined CPU and memory subsystem performance through the public ZLib compression library. ZLib is designed as a free lossless data compression library for use on virtually any computer hardware and operating system. The ZLib data format is itself portable across platforms and has a footprint independent of input data that can be reduced at some cost in compression. The AES integer benchmark measures CPU performance using AES data encryption. It utilizes Vincent Rijmen, Antoon Bosselaers and Paulo Barreto's public domain C code in ECB mode and consumes 48 MB of memory. Both of these tests are much more applicable to the "real world" than the previous tests.

The results of the Zip compression test scale almost linearly with processor clock speed on the quad-core Intel side, but there's some threading going on as can be seen with the Core i7-980X results, where two extra cores and and extra 530MHz or so virtually double the performance of the 2.8GHz it-860 and i7-930. Extra cores help on the AMD side, too, with the stock-clocked 3.0GHz 1075T handily outperforming the 3.4GHz quad-core 965 Black Edition.

The AES encryption test is utterly dominated by the Core i7-980X, whose performance is 6.7x better than its closest competitor. The reason is Intel's Advanced Encryption Standard New Instructions (AES-NI), which dramatically accelerate AES code. AES-NI aside, the AMD processors uniformly perform better than the Intel processors without this feature.

Video Gaming Test

UbiSoft's Far Cry 2 game features a vast African landscape which you can wander freely about, choosing your own path through the game without being constrained by the developer's idea of how it should progress. The lack of distinct "levels" within the game encourages the player to explore multiple paths and goals. The "Dunia" game engine developed by UbiSoft's Montreal development team purportedly makes good use of multi-core processors to leverge its real-time lighting effects and advanced vegetation rendering.

Far Cry 2 has a handy built-in benchmarch that allows you to define a set of parameters and run one of several demos automatically using different settings. For these tests I chose the "Ranch Small" demo and ran it at 1280 x 1024 with minimal settings and no anti-aliasing, and at 1920 x 1280 with all settings maxed out and 8x anti-aliasing. All tests were run in DirectX 10.

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Low-resolution gaming tests make the video card less of a factor since any high-end video card like the Radeon 5870 used in these tests can easily handle them; differences here are more biased towards processor horsepower. The Intel Core i5-750 brings up the rear here, with only about half the performance of its i7-860 and i7-930 brethren. For the minimum frame rate, the i7-980X adds 19% to the performance of the next-closest i7-860, but that's exactly the difference in clock speeds between the two processors, so it seems that the Dunia engine doesn't scale well (or at all) beyond four cores. The differences between the two are less dramatic in the average and maximum Intel frame rates, shrinking to a little over 9%. As can be seen from the AMD results, this game favors Intel processors pretty heavily, at least at low resolutions: the only time they're in the lead is in the minimum frame rate, and then they only outpace the underdog i5-750.

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At a more reasonable resolution, the minimum and average frame rates are virtually identical across all the CPUs being tested, indicating that the Radeon 5870 video card is now the limiting factor. Only in the maximum frame rates is there any difference, and although the Intel family wins again, even the slowest CPU (the stock-clocked 1075T) returns frame rates that are far beyond what's needed to be very playable. The differences in the maximum frame rate inside each processor family scale almost linearly with clock speed, with the hexacore processors showing no advantage over the quad-cores.

Video Transcoding Test

Few consumer applications will make good use of a six-core processor, or even a four-core processor. Extra cores can give you a system that remains responsive when performing a computationally-intensive background task, but will rarely accelerate the execution of an individual program. There are several reasons for this:

  • Few users have more than two cores. According to Steam's August 2010 statistics, dual-core systems comprise 54.77% of its users, quad-core systems 27.49%, and six-core systems a miniscule 0.03%. Thus developers tend to concentrate their efforts elsewhere.
  • Relatively few computational problems scale well with the number of threads available. (One common task that does is rendering, which is why modern video cards have dozens or hundreds of cores).
  • Writing good multithreaded code is difficult and time-consuming. Developers generally realize a better return on their effort for other code optimizations.

All that said, media transcoding (converting to a different format) is something that does scale well with the number of available cores, and the free and open-source Handbrake 0.94 video transcoder is an example of a program that makes full use of the computational resources available. For this test I used Handbrake 0.94 to transcode a standard-definition episode of Futurama to the "iPhone & iPod Touch" presets. The times are presented as mm.ss since the charting program will not let me use colons as in mm:ss...

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Here we finally see a real-world program that can fully utilize multi-core CPUs. The AMD processors do themselves proud, equalling or beating the Intel processors in all but one case, and the miniscule performance advantage the i7-980X has over the stock-clocked AMD 1090T in no way justifies its four-times-higher price. One might ask why the 980X didn't do better, since its Hyper-Threading feature gives it 12 virtual cores, and the answer is simply that a virtual core is an abstract contstruct wherein the processor tries to schedule code to make the best use of available execution units; it's not the same as a real extra core. The results depend on the task and the code, and Handbrake code just doesn't benefit much from Hyper-Threading.

You can compare the bang-for-the-buck performance of these CPUs in Handbrake 0.94 by making a "dollars per reciprocal second" measurement: in other words, we're looking for the best combination of low processor price and low encoding times.

CPU Price Secs $ / ((1/secs)*100)
Core i5-750 $194.99 112 218.39
Core i7-860 $283.00 98 233.24
Core i7-930 $284.99 96 273.59
Core i7-980X $999.99 66 659.99
AMD 965BE $164.99 112 184.79
AMD 1075T $245.00 81 198.45
AMD 1075T OC $245.00 63 154.35
AMD 1090TBE $295.99 77 227.91

The overclocked 1075T wins this comparison, with the AMD 965 Black Edition getting second place. It's telling that none of the AMD processors exceed 200, while none of the Intel processors are under 200. In this admittedly ad-hoc measurement, the base clocked AMD 1075T is 3.5 times "better" than the 980X, which is reasonably close to the 980X's 4.1x-more-expensive price differential. The overclocked 1075T gives by far the most bang for the buck, with the 965 Black Edition and stock-clocked 1075T coming in close behind.

Phenom II X6 1075T Overclocking

Unlike the 1090T Black Edition and 965 Black Edition, the 1075T has a locked multiplier, and thus the only way to overclock it is to raise what ASUS calls the "CPU Bus Frequency". I know from my previous review of the ASUS Crosshair IV Formula motherboard that this motherboard is capable of supporting very high overclocks, so I started raising the bus frequency from its standard 200MHz pretty aggressively. I settled on 277MHz, which resulted in a stable 4.155GHz, although I did have to tweak the CPU voltage to 1.46V to make it through all the tests in this review. I always disable auto-overclocking features like Turbo Core when I overclock, since I'm trying to reach the highest frequency all cores can sustain and don't want a system suddenly crashing when the CPU tries to crank things up a few hundred MHz. For cooling, I used a CoolIT Systems ECO A.L.C. Eco-R120 CPU cooler.

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AMD may have shot themselves in the foot here, since the frequency I reached is actually slightly higher (for all cores) than the frequency reached in our AMD Phenom II 1090T Black Edition review. While there's never a guarantee how far an individual processor/motherboard combination will overclock, it's likely that most 1075T CPUs can be overclocked to be very close if not match or exceed an overclocked 1090T Black Edition.

That being the case, there's little reason to pay $55 more for the 1090T Black Edition, unless the extra versatility of the unlocked multiplier is worth it to you. But it probably isn't: if you had a DDR3-1600 kit, you'd have to drop the memory speed to 1477MHz (the next step up, 1847MHz, probably isn't reachable by most DDR3-1600 kits) with a 277MHz bus, and while the 1090T's unlocked multiplier would let you maintain DDR3-1600 speeds, you won't notice any real world difference between that and 1477MHz.

There is one caveat: while any 890FX motherboard should be able to hit this overclock, you probably won't do as well with previous-generation 700-series or older AM2+ motherboards.

In the next section, I'll explain my conclusions about the AMD Phenom II X6 1075T processor.

AMD X6-1075T Final Thoughts

AMD has played catch-up to Intel for many years now. For a brief period in the early years of the decade, AMD was the undisputed CPU performance champ, easily trouncing Intel's "NetBurst" CPUs, but those days are long gone. Although AMD fanboys argued that their "true" multi-core CPUs were more elegant and sophisticated than Intel's initial crude attempts, which involved simply putting two separate CPU dies in a single package (and later, two dual-core dies into a single package) and forcing the cores to communicate across the front-side bus, at the end of the day the Intel CPUs were simply faster.

In certain circles, AMD-bashing is almost as common as Apple or Microsoft-bashing; one review site even has an editorial titled "Are All AMD Fans - Idiots?", the idea being that AMD parts are simply inferior to Intel parts and that AMD perenially plays catch-up to Intel by adopting their own inferior variants of new technologies years after Intel. But there's one thing that a lot of people (even reviewers) out there seem to miss: while Intel does indeed continue to hold the performance crown, AMD is the undisputed leader in performance per dollar. And this is quite significant now that desktop processors have long since hit the "fast enough" point, where additional performance is unnoticed in most applications. AMD's current processor lineup is much closer to Intel's in terms of performance than it has been in a while, as many of the tests in this review show: for example, the $165 AMD 965 Black Edition beats the $195 Intel Core i5-750 in CINEBENCH, 6 of 8 SPECviewperf tests, the Vantage Music test, all Everest tests, and is equal or slightly better in most other tests, with the main exception being the average and maximum frame rates in the low-resolution Far Cry 2 benchmark, which isn't terribly realistic anyway. The chart below shows the first and second place finishers in each test, and the percent difference by which the second place finisher was slower than the first place finisher. The 980X wins 11 of the 20 tests, with the overclocked 1075T winning 7 and the Intel 930 and AMD 965BE taking one each. But notice that in the cases where the Intel 980X wins over the overclocked 1075T, the average performance difference is only 18.1%, and that drops to 10.5% if we exclude the Everest AES test. Something to think about the next time you're in the market for a new CPU...

Test Winner 2nd Place % Diff
CINEBENCH single AMD 1075T OC Intel 980X -3.3%
CINEBENCH multi Intel 980X AMD 1075T OC -21.9%
SPECviewperf CATIA Intel 980X AMD 1075T OC -3.2%
SPECviewperf EnSight AMD 965BE AMD 1075T OC -4.1%
SPECviewperf Pro/E AMD 1075T OC Intel 980X -3.8%
SPECviewperf TVCIS Intel 930 Intel 980X -1.6%
SPECviewperf Maya Intel 980X Intel 930 -8.8%
SPECviewperf NX Intel 980X AMD 1075T OC -2.5%
SPECviewperf SolidWorks AMD 1075T OC Intel 980X -1.8%
SPECviewperf LightWave Intel 980X AMD 1075T OC -11.2%
Everest Queen Intel 980X AMD 1075T OC -26.2%
Everest PhotoWorxx Intel 980X Intel 930 -9.5%
Everest Zip AMD 1075T OC Intel 980X -0.8%
Everest AES Intel 980X AMD 1075T OC -85.0%
Vantage TV & Video Intel 980X AMD 1075T OC -8.6%
Vantage Gaming Intel 980X Intel 930 -13.9%
Vantage Music AMD 1075T OC Intel 980X -0.7%
Far Cry 2 low-res (avg) Intel 980X Intel 930 -8.5%
Far Cry 2 high-res (avg) AMD 1075T OC Intel 980X -1.8%
Handbrake AMD 1075T OC Intel 980X -4.5%

AMD has another advantage: while Intel seems to delight in coming out with new supporting chipsets and CPU sockets (your new Sandy Bridge Socket 1156 processor won't work in your existing Socket 1156 motherboard, sorry!), AMD has done an excellent job of maintaining compatibility with its AM2/AM2+/AM3 platform; the very latest AMD 6 core processors will work just swell in your years-old AM2+ motherboard. And the top-end AM3 motherboards like the ASUS Crosshair IV Formula used in this review cost much less than most X58 motherboards, and is price-competitive with high-end P55 motherboards, but offers superior SATA 6G and USB 3.0 support without compromising the performance of other parts of your system due to a lack of PCI-E lanes.

The performance of your processor is only one facet of the performance of your system, and in most cases it's not the most important once you've hit the "fast enough" line. If you've a processor in the AMD 965BE/Intel 930 class, your performance dollars are better spent on a good video card or SSD rather than a fancier CPU. While six cores are of little benefit to most users, if you want a hexacore CPU for media transcoding or just bragging rights, AMD gets you in the door for a fraction of Intel's price.

HDT75TFBGRBOX Conclusion

Benchmark tests should always be taken with a grain of salt. It's difficult to try and isolate the performance difference a single component in a computer system makes, especially when it's necessary to compare across different manufacturers and platforms. Complicating the matter is the fact that benchmarks change, a manufacturer may change the technical details of a product, and the retail price may change as well. So please use this review as just one piece of information, and do your research before making a buying decision.

That said, the AMD Phenom II X6 1075T AM3 HDT75TFBGRBOX processor rocks. Its low price is $199.99 at Amazon or NewEgg, and combined with its excellent overclocking ability make it one of the best "bang for the buck" CPUs you can buy. In fact, it's so good that it represents a better value than the Phenom II 1090T Black Edition, which costs $55 more. As our benchmarks showed, the overclocked 1075T was able to match or beat the 4-times-more-expensive Intel Core i7-980X processor (albeit at its stock clock rates) in several of the tests, and was within 20% or so in most others. Another surprise was how well the $165 Phenom II 965 Black Edition aquitted itself: if you're not doing a lot of music or video encoding, you can get slightly better stock performance with the 965's 400MHz clock speed advantage over the 1075T. In the majority of these tests both the 965 Black Edition and stock-clocked 1075T beat the more expensive Core i7 860 and Core i7 930 processors.

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There are still reasons you might want to "go Intel": perhaps you need the incredible performance of the AES-NI features of their latest CPUs, or you want to run an NVIDIA SLI setup (which, due to some weird polittical wrangling between AMD and NVIDIA, you cannot now and probably never will be able to do). Intel continues to reign at the highest performance levels, but if you need multi-core goodness at a price you can actually afford, then the AMD Phenom II X6 1075T is your baby.

Pros:Benchmark Reviews Golden Tachometer Award

+ True 6-physical-core processor
+ Turbo Core feature auto-overclocks to 3.5GHz if 3 or fewer cores in use
+ Easily overclocks to more than 4GHz in an 890FX motherboard
+ Excellent performance in media transcoding and professional rendering and modelling
+ Low 125 watt TDP
+ Works in older AM2+ motherboards (with BIOS update)

Cons:

- 45nm process is kinda old these days
- Not as much cache as competitive Intel processors
- Cannot support an NVIDIA SLI system

Ratings:

  • Performance: 9.5
  • Construction: 9.0
  • Overclock: 9.0
  • Functionality: 9.0
  • Value: 9.75

Final Score: 9.25 out of 10.

Excellence Achievement: Benchmark Reviews Golden Tachometer Award.

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# RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGRmihai 2010-09-21 03:11
good job !
i wold like to see some temperatures with 1075t OC
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# RE: RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGRDavid Ramsey 2010-09-21 07:04
Temperatures, even under overclocked stress testing, were pretty low, never exceeding 56 degrees. Well, low in contrast to Intel processors...the max temperature of the 1075T is 62 degrees, I believe, so this overclock would require good cooling in the hot summer months.
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# Slight correction needed here...aussiebear 2010-09-21 03:15
"...(your new Sandy Bridge Socket 1156 processor won't work in your existing Socket 1156 motherboard, sorry!)..."

=> Slight typo...The mainstream desktop version of Sandy Bridge uses LGA1155. It has a different electrical layout to the current LGA1156. They aren't compatible with each other...I checked with an Engineering Sample.
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# bit.ly/9yDKcfRealNeil 2010-09-21 03:27
"....or you want to run an NVIDIA SLI setup (which, due to some weird polittical wrangling between AMD and NVIDIA, you cannot now and probably never will be able to do),...."

I have an ASUS board in my Wish List at NewEgg that supports AMD Hex-Cores and SLI together. I had planned on using the GTX460's in it and 1090T Hex-Core once I have the cash saved.

LINK: #bit.ly/9yDKcf
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# RE: bit.ly/9yDKcfRealNeil 2010-09-21 04:17
I'd like to add that this is a really great review.
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# RE: bit.ly/9yDKcfDavid Ramsey 2010-09-21 07:06
You're right: motherboards based on NVIDIA chipsets will (obviously!) handle SLI. I had one of the classic ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe motherboards myself some years ago, but didn't know there were any similar AM3 boards available.
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# RE: RE: bit.ly/9yDKcfRealNeil 2010-09-21 07:12
Also, the PCI-E connectors are both X16 speed. Many SLI and Crossfire boards don't have full X16 speeds enabled when more than one slot is occupied. They split the available bandwidth.
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# AhhPsy4computers 2010-09-26 14:49
Nothing to do with the fact AMD owns ATI by any chance??
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# RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGRRobert17 2010-09-21 03:54
Well done David. I've owned/operated/OC'd Intel, Cyrix (stop laughing), and AMD chips over the years. You nailed down all my thoughts with data sheets. I'm not known as a fanboi of anything. But I concluded years ago that AMD was making products that would be fast enough, would survive upgrades on the same MB for at least a generation or two, and all things taken together allow more budget for other component upgrades more regularly. (yes, my budget for Mr.&Mrs. Frankenclone and their kids only comes after beans, bills, and keeping Mama happy)

Is Intel good? You bethcha skippy. Could they be in any rig I build? I'd enjoy that. But my last few MB/CPUs have been AMD due to the "bang for the buck" factor. Looks like my next upgrade in that category will be also. Thanks for playing Intel. We have some nice parting gifts for you. Maybe down the road....
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# RePSM 2010-09-21 15:53
Another very 'true to the facts' review by Benchmark. But have a few doubts. First, "Cannot support an NVIDIA SLI system "- I'm not sure this a con for a cpu. Might be wrong here but if something to be blamed for not supporting SLI, it's the 890GX/FX chipset in this case. And it's not a platform review. Secondly, any clue how the mighty i7 980x is beaten by 930 in UGS Visualization mockup? From the things it looks like TCVIS is memory bandwidth intensive, even then it doesn't make sence. finaly "if you're not doing a lot of music or video encoding" may seem to fly-by viewers as if 965 BE or i7 750 were incompetent. I've a OCed 955 BE and do a lot of transcoding for professional purpose and haven't felt the urge to upgrade to hexas yet. The only reason I say this because there are many people who think downloading some videos from youtube and converting'em to .avi is a 'lot' of encoding :D Thanks for this fine article again.
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# Pros and ConsOlin Coles 2010-09-21 16:38
I don't always agree with the conclusions our writers give a product, but without their unique perspective this website would be quite monotone. As I warn in the conclusion of my article, take each conclusion into consideration of your own criteria for grading any particular product. What we like and dislike may not apply to you.
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# RE: ReDavid Ramsey 2010-09-21 20:57
As another respondent has pointed out, there are still NVIDIA based AM3 solutions that will support SLI with this proc, so that's a good point (that's already been made).

"any clue how the mighty i7 980x is beaten by 930 in UGS Visualization mockup?"

Nope. I runs the tests, I reports the results, I speculate on the reasons when I can. This one's a mystery.

Yep, you can do a lot of transcoding on an overclocked 4-core proc; but more cores are still better. It's arguable whether the extra performance is worth the money; I suppose it would depend more on whether one was in a hobby or production environment...
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# RE: RE: RePSM 2010-09-22 14:31
David, thanks for your reply. And apologies for reiterating that SLI point. And yes I suppose two extar cores ain't going to harm. And the pricing by AMD makes them more attractive. Just hope that developers make some more softwares which could scale on those. That aside these procs are just good enough to force Intel sale i7 950 @ $300. Regards.
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# ConsultantMRFS 2010-09-21 18:56
Is "1070T" a typo above?

I thought this was a review of the
AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGR CPU.

Please clarify. Thanks.


MRFS
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# RE: ConsultantDavid Ramsey 2010-09-21 19:59
Yes, thanks, "1070T" is definitely a brain fart on my end. I'll correct it.
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# RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGRMarkus 2010-09-22 23:35
Breathtaking that you guys fail to specify the processor's TDP anywhere in the entire article. So much blabber about it energy efficiency, but without mentioning its TDP. Bl**dy dimwits.
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# RE: RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGRRealNeil 2010-09-23 04:56
I Googled your question and got:

Max TDP: 125 Watts
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# RE: RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGRDavid Ramsey 2010-09-23 08:43
Check the "Pros" section of the last page of the article, where I mention the "Low 125 watt TDP".
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# RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGRPSM 2010-09-23 13:15
@ Markus: 1075T is part of a refreshment from AMD on it's Thuban core architecture. Previous 1055T and 1090T had 125W and there've been no die shrink or tweaks so these new proc also has the same TDP. Use your common sense before calling someone dimwit.
And yes, they are efficient in the regard that they don't have the luxury of 32nm and yet keep the TDP at low 125W as stated in the article. Just remember two facts that the 1st gen Phenom 2s were rated 140W and 32nm six core Intel i7 980x/970 have an envelope of 130W. And you'll see efficiency in 125W.
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# RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGRthomas 2010-09-22 23:39
"cons: 45nm process is kinda old today"

you talk like a child who is ashamed of coming to school in reebok shoes when all the other kids have nike and adidas, like the choice of processor comes down to its process granularity in a trendy fashion way.
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# RE: RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGRDavid Ramsey 2010-09-23 07:50
I wrote the article from the enthusiast perspective, and I assumed (obviously in error) that most readers would understand the advantages of the 32nm process Intel is so aggressively moving its product line towards. You know, more dies per wafer, therefore better profit margins, not to mention all the other purely technical benefits of smaller processes in general.

If you disagree with technical issues in the review, fine; if you just don't like my writing style, go start your own hardware review site and show us how to do it.
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# my i7 930 oc is betterGarco 2010-09-23 21:07
with DDR3 triple chanel and gtx260
only with my memory i'm exceed amd

#service.futuremark.com/resultComparison.action?compareResultId=355908&compareResultType=18
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# correctionGarco 2010-09-23 21:50
Only with my memory i'm able exceed amd
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# BUILTUP CONFIGARATION OF PHENOM - II X6 CPUASHISH MEHTA 2010-09-26 00:36
i AM A NEW PERSIOHAE KNOELEDGE FOR SYSTEM CONFIGURSTION. mY SON IS HIGHEND GAME EDICT. NOW HE WANTS THE HIGHEND GAMING MACHINE WITH AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBK6DGR AS HIS FRIEND DOES HAVE BUT HE STILL NOT SURE ABOUT OTHER HARDWARE IN SYSTEMOF HIS FRIEND AND ALL THIS FOR ME IS GRICK AND LATIN.
THEREFOR SOME ONE PLEASE SUGEST ME A COMPLITE SOLUTION FOR HIS SYSTEM
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# RE: BUILTUP CONFIGARATION OF PHENOM - II X6 CPUDavid Ramsey 2010-09-26 04:14
Ashish, if you will take this question to our forums, I'm sure you'll receive plenty of help. Also, please take off your "caps lock" key when typing.
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# RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBGRBOXNoe 2010-12-08 01:12
TYVM, David, for this review.
It has answered some of my questions about the new AMD hex cores. Mostly to do with performance @ same clock speeds of these processors.
However I would still like to know, how the 1035T & 1055T shape up against the 1075T/1090T/1100T.
Are these all essentially the same processor, with different clock speeds or is there some real difference when dropping from the 1075T to the 1055T?

What would be the difference of OCing a 1055T @ 4GHZ (is this possible, with a stable system?) Vs a 1075T @ 4GHZ, if all other hardware was the same?
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# Good question, also energy and 890GXGoyta 2010-12-08 14:49
Noe made a good question, and trying to find it out was exactly what brought me here. I'm about to buy either a 1055T or a 1075T. I live in Brazil, where hardware is usually very expensive and prices don't always follow the same logic and proportions as in the U.S. Here, the 1075T almost matches the 1090T in price and therefore is usually not a good value, but occasionally one can find deals placing it closer in price to the 1055T, and in that case I'd like to know if it's worth to pay more for it, however little, as I have seen several reviews achieving stable 4 GHz and beyond for the 1055T as well.

In fact, I may not even feel the need to overclock it (the "fast enough" thing), but it's so comforting to know that if I do, I can possibly get near-980X performance for a fraction of the price...

Another good question would be power consumption. I have read that when you overclock X6's they start gushing up power like mad, reaching up to 300 watts (yes, just the processor, not the whole PC) at around 4 GHz. That's something to consider as well, when deciding if it's worth to overclock it and to what extent.

Finally, a more straightforward question: you said similar results would probably only be possible with an 890FX mainboard. I'd love to have one, but they are prohibitively expensive here. So, I have the crippled version of it, an 890GX mainboard. Do you think the GX could yield similar results?

Thanks a lot!
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# RE: Good question, also energy and 890GXNoe 2010-12-10 01:54
Since the time of my first post here, I have been researching other sites/forums to see if the 1055T can be OC'd @ 4GHZ.

While I have found that it is possible & with a stable system, the rest of my question still remains.
Also I am now wondering about the effects OCing a 1055T this high would have on the longevity of the CPU & whether this would differ for the 1075T at all? (I realize that any answer to this would be mostly speculation & also be dependent on cooling solutions etc.)
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# RE: RE: Good question, also energy and 890GXDavid Ramsey 2010-12-10 08:54
Noe: As long as you can keep the CPU temperatures reasonable, I think any "reduction in life" of a CPU caused by overclocking would be minimal. But this is just speculation. I've been overclocking for more than a decade and I've never lost one yet, overclocking, say, an old Motoroal 68040 from 33MHz to 40MHz is quantitatively different from taking a modern processor to 4GHz. For one thing, the TDP on a 68040 was only 20 watts!
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# RE: Good question, also energy and 890GXDavid Ramsey 2010-12-10 08:50
Goyta: We have not tested a 1055T here at Benchmark Reviews, but I'd guess that its overclocking capability would be similar to the 1075T. Overclocking any processor increases the power consumption (which is why you need better cooling), but remember that the processor won't be running at 4GHz all the time (unless you've disabled power saving features in the BIOS). Re the overclocking performance of an 890GX mainboard, again, I haven't tested one of those, and can only guess how well it would work. The 890FX motherboards are aimed at enthusiasts and will generally have better power supply circuits, cooling, etc...it's more than just the chipset. Obviously if you plan to overclock you should look for a higher end motherboard. That said, I imagine a good 890GX motherboard could at least come quite close to the OC capabilities of an 890FX motherboard.
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# UpdateGoyta 2011-02-01 20:24
David, thank you very much. It has been a while since I last posted here, and in the meantime I have upgraded my PC as planned - actually, better than planned. A combination of slightly smaller prices due to launching the 1100T, a good deal and a bit more money available than I had thought I would, all have made me go for a 1090T. This is, of course, a Black Edition processor, so overclocking it is a breeze if you have proper cooling (I got an Akasa Nero 2, which while not "top" is a fairly decent CPU cooler and should give me some room if I decide to do that).

But that is not in my plans for now. I have found that even at stock speeds, it is scaringly fast! I simply don't need to overclock it, and don't think I will need it any time soon. I'm also impressed at the thermal efficiency: when idle on a not so hot day (I live in a subtropical latitude and it's summer here down South now), CPU temperature gets as low as 21°C, and I'm yet to see it go over 44°C under stress. Well, I wanted a PC to last several years, and I've got one. I'm very happy. Thanks a lot for your help!
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# RE: RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBGRBOXDavid Ramsey 2010-12-10 08:59
Noe, there is no "1035T". And we've never received a 1055T here for review, so I can't compare it to the 1075T/1090T/1100T...but I'm pretty sure it's just the standard Thuban 6-core design with a different multiplier, so if I had to bet, I'd say you could probably overclock it to the same degree as a 1075T. Remember that since it's not a Black Edition processor, the only way to overclock it is to raise the base clock. FWIW, AMD lists 6 Thuban processors: 1045T, 1055T, 1065T, 1075T, 1090T, and 1100T. As best I can tell the 1045T and 1065T are not available at the retail level but are OEM-only parts.
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# RE: RE: RE: AMD Phenom-II X6-1075T CPU HDT75TFBGRBOXNoe 2010-12-10 20:38
The 1035T does exist but is probably OEM only aswell. Also there is a 1055T 125W version & a 1055T 95W version. The 95W version is interesting because, from what I have read, it has a higher temp tolerance of 71C compared to 62C for the 125W version.
If I understand it right, both these versions OCd to 4GHZ would draw the same power under load but at idle with power saving enabled, the 95W version should draw less power.
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# RE: Phenom II x6 1075THyperion 2011-02-17 17:25
Got mine month ago. On 4+1 phase gigabyte 790FX-DS5 i couldn't overclock at all. Mosfet would get too hot and I got lower fps/results with higher frequency(3,2-3,6GHz) than the stock 3,0GHz.

So I bought the ASUS M4A89GTD PRO (8+2 phase) and I reborned with it. I reached 4,0GHz in a minute with 1,425V. Max for 3D bench is 4,2-4,3GHz and the most i got with this combination on air is 4,5GHz @ 1,596V. That was very unstable but enough for one round of super pi 1M and then BSOD.

For 24/7 I am holding it at 3,8GHz @ 1,375V. I use Scythe Mugen 2 and temperatures are very good. About 45C in games, 52-53C in occt. With 4GHz 55-57C in OCCT. Scythe Mugen 2 is very very silent cooler i recommand it.

Dont use X6 processor on 4+1 phase motherboard if you want to overclock. 4+1 phase is only OK for stock 3.0GHz nothing more.

Sry for bad english.
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# # RE: Phenom II x6 1075TPaxos 2011-03-23 15:49
Hyperion , thanks for the post. You gave me somethink to think.
Nice job.
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# chip still going strongDaniel Mac 2012-03-21 00:41
been a couple years since the article came out, still wanna say my oc'd 1075t on 3.9 still spanks the pants off my new 2nd gen core i5 2500 LOL
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