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Written by Olin Coles   
Tuesday, 03 April 2012

How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPal

When eBay Buyer Protection is abused, PayPal punishes good sellers with bad policy.

Most people are familiar with eBay, the web community with an endless catalog of items ready and available for purchase from across the globe. Like many who browse the auctions, I've needed to purchase a hard-to-find or out-of-production item and found it listed by hoarding collectors and International sellers. I also occasionally use eBay for selling random unwanted items to help fund the upgrade or repair of another product. After nearly three-hundred transactions spanned over ten years my overall experience has remained positive, but very recently my opinion of eBay and its online banking service PayPal have significantly changed.

Packed away in boxes and long forgotten, I had been sitting on hundreds of old video games, software programs, and operating system discs that had been updated or upgraded through the years. One box led to another, and I eventually discovered dozens of brand new vintage radio control car parts purchased almost twenty years. As a result of this difficult economy and my buried treasures, I visited eBay in hopes of turning old merchandise into cash for new projects. So after spending hours observing how supply and demand dictate the final auction price, and how inventory trends effect the outcome, I was able to begin selling these miscellaneous items on eBay for a small profit.

Selling on eBay has opened my eyes and I've learned a lot in such a short time. For example, never sell it all at once. If an old or rare item is auctioned only a few times per year and then several are suddenly listed all at once, a formerly limited supply has just been flooded with inventory that reduces product demand along with sale price. I've also learned to let bidders and buyers fight it out by offering very low auction starting bids, because if there's enough demand the price will quickly exceed the expected purchase price. Unfortunately, I've also learned that not everyone on eBay is honest and forthright, and many policies are abused in their favor.

It may not surprise you to know the world is filled with bad people, and eBay openly welcomes them. As the world's premier e-commerce portal, people flock to eBay to prey and profit on the unwitting. Some bad buyers or competing sellers may bid on and win your auctions, without ever making payment, thereby eliminating available inventory for several weeks until claims are opened and closed. But as a result of being a publicly traded company with an ongoing drive for increased revenue, eBay strives to keep activity levels high so shareholding investors are impressed. As a result they seldom punish members in violation of policy. Unfortunately, I had to learn this the hard way.

Very recently I began selling off some of those old items, which have been out of production or unavailable for many years and considered rare. The bidding was fun to watch, and it was always a pleasant surprise to see an item go from collecting dust to collecting payment. I would package my items in padded poly mailers (purchased from eBay sellers), and place the adhesive shipping label directly over the sealed flap. I knew the item was sealed and protected, expecting that in the worst case USPS might lose my package in the mail (which happens way too often), but then postal insurance would help cover it. Well, I was wrong. The worst that can happen is that the package actually reaches the buyer, nullifying any possible insurance claim, and then the buyer makes a complaint to eBay or PayPal.

While eBay does try to make a small effort to weed out repeat offenders, their financial clearinghouse sister-company named PayPal does not. So when I packaged an item on Saturday morning and drove it off to the Post Office in hopes of impressing a buyer having only three previous eBay transactions with an especially prompt delivery, I was unprepared for a notification of a newly opened case that alerted me two days later. The brief details indicated an unopened yet somehow empty package was received. Apparently a printed shipping label with the package weight and tracking number aren't enough to defend my position, so I responded to the claim that a full refund would be given upon return of the claimed 'empty envelope', and then patiently waited.

Weeks later the buyer wrote to me using the email address PayPal reveals to them (and thus bypassing the eBay message system), telling me the item was found loose in a bin and delivered. I was relieved, and messaged the buyer to kindly close the claim. As a precaution, I submitted a screen shot of the buyers email into the still-open PayPal claim, expecting it to become moot once the buyer logged in and pressed a button to close the case. This didn't happen, and instead a few days later PayPal charged my account for eBay's listing, shipping, and selling fees along with their own payment brokerage fee, and then refunded the buyer his entire paid purchase cost. I was stunned by how closely this resembled a legal form of robbery.

I have since learned that PayPal has a policy to automatically side with buyer whenever an 'empty envelope' claim is made, even when USPS delivers the parcel without a damage/open package notice, and even if there's evidence attached to the claim that clearly reveals that a buyer has received the item. The only way to win a claim and keep your payment, is for the buyer to close the case. So I called PayPal and spoke to a case specialist and two supervisors, but none of them showed any interest in the details of my case. They made the bottom line very clear and simple: unless the buyer manually reports the item as received and then closes the claim, the buyer gets their money back and can keep the claimed 'empty package' along with the item sold to them. Just imagine the impact this policy has on legitimate sellers who are scammed out of their goods by over-protected buyers.

While discussing this policy with PayPal, I proposed a hypothetical situation where a dishonest buyer purchases a very expensive item such as jewelry from an honest seller, who then abuses their buyer protection policy to claim the package arrived empty. I was told by the PayPal supervisor "it is our policy to side with the buyer in empty envelope cases". It's sad to imagine a tiny one-person business laboring to produce and sell product for the smallest profit margin, only to have eBay and PayPal slap them with a payment reversal in addition to seller fees and expenses associated with cost of goods and shipment. I am hoping for more awareness with the publication of this story, so that PayPal might revise their policy to look at evidence provided by the seller and shipping agent rather than disregard them in favor of automatically siding with the buyer.

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# Greedy ThievesEripoff & Payscam 2012-04-02 16:45
Welcome to John Donahoe's NEW Ebay !!! Theft and scams are so common.Ebay supports theft with forced Paypal.Never use Ebay to sell anything you are not ready to simply give away.
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# Found out the hard waytina 2012-08-03 08:15
I had the same thing happen last time I listed a nice collection. I marked them all low hoping to get more but just needing the money. I put two many things on at once and was slow with shipping. When I say slow I mean I still did it in the alloted time that I stated in my ebay description. People just still complained. One guy who bought a large priced item, I did accidently forget his item. I thought my spouse had sent the wrong item to him, I emailed and asked him to forward the customers item to her and sent him more than enough money to do so with his purchase. After I emailed him and he agreed to it I sent the package. In the meantime I got a confirmation from the person that I had thought their package had been sent to him. I emailed him and asked for my money back. He stopped emailing me and filed a complaint with ebay. I tried to show ebay where I had contacted him multiple times and when he did answer he told me it was my fault for being niave. I showed my email to paypal and ebay and they still put a hold on my account and paid him. He got all his money back, the item, and the money I sent for him to help me out.
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# RE: Found out the hard wayMark Willoughby 2012-09-25 07:22
Dude what are you playing at, this is the most rediculous story i have ever heard and i am shocked that some one can be so stupid. Off coarse he got the lot, you gave it to him.
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# Nah..opil2323 2012-10-06 14:52
Nah, I think the guy was a stupid deutchbag..he should of gave the money and everything back..
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# RE: RE: Found out the hard wayvacant 2012-11-06 18:42
So what your saying is you're a dishonest piece of gutter filth. And its "course" not "coarse" that means unrefined or vulgar what you are you miscreant.
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# account consultantAJ 2012-12-29 14:15
#, you're prob one of these buyers why would you say something like that. I had the same thing happen to me as well. This world is filled with ,ore dishonest people than I have ever begun to think. Leave his grammar and spelling alone you pompous ass!
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# Re:Found out the hard wayJack 2012-10-08 09:02
I do not find myself as being the smartest person in the world but talk about ?Banure Fir Banes?, dude, how dumb can a fella get? I mean first you sent this guy a chunk of money for winning the item that you forgot to ship out. Then you sent him the cost of the item, then you sent him the item.
I would imagine about the only thing going through your fogy mind right about now is ?When will the insanity stop?? Yea oh yea! Just another example of why we should remove all the warning labels from products and let problems like this sort themselves out.?
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# Well...Hmm 2012-10-10 17:41
Nah, I think the moral of this story is that you just can't trust anyone anymore. He was an honest guy, thinking he could trust someone, and the other guy was just a dishonest, scum person.

It was an honest mistake, thinking that the wrong item had been sent.

..Or, what you should do is, never let your wiffy do any shipping of your items out, and keep a list of what has been shipped to, and where.

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# GREAT SOLUTIONjlb8 2013-11-21 06:53
THAT'S A WINNER FOR LAUGH OF THE WEEK "We should remove all the warning labels from products and let problems like this sort themselves out.?" We are in serious trouble when we acquiesce tip-rats that rely on society to accept responsibility for which commonly can only be described as moronic! .............send 19.95 to PO BOX 911 end it now ....... and i will let you in on the secret......
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# Ms.barbara P 2012-09-17 17:13
What happens to a buyer when item is returned due to itrm not working?Also how can i get a physical letter stating that my paypal has been cancelled? I just dont understand all this stuff & it confuses me.Why do Buer & Saler are treated like the enemy to each other? thank you.
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# RE: Greedy ThievesMike 2012-10-05 08:37
Ebay gives the easiest sellers to rip off a nice "top rated seller" badge.

These are the sellers who will do whatever it takes to not get a negative feedback. Including refunding the total cost without even asking for a return. Usually they'll send out a free 'replacement' item if you say yours came 'not as described'.

Wear your 'top rated seller' badge with honor sellers! Let them know what great service you provide.
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# I hate gansta-bayjust got burned real bad by gangsabay 2012-11-12 18:22
I just was burned by ebay and its famous buyer protection scam, I have several hundred positive feedback been selling a long time with good reviews. One woman from Brentwood California just burned me very good by purchasing a bottle of Chanel and when she received it she claimed it was not authentic, I have previously had the bottle authenticated and because it came from a family member who had passed I knew its entire history, date of manufacture, bottle designer ect. she was allowed by ebay to stomp her feet open a case and even when I provided all documents and receipts they still sided with her, well it just got to my house today and guess what. Its NOT my bottle of Chanel its been filed on the back and is 1/2 empty, what did ebay do? They gave her my Chanel and her money. They are legal gangsters. I added her to rippoff report and that's all I can do. I like the signature above "if you cant afford to lose it, don't sell it on ebay" I have closed my account and will never do business there again.
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# recommend selling site?wayne 2012-11-15 10:50
can you recommend a good site to sell on other than ebay, craigslist, or Amazon? i am trying to sell my phone i keep getting scammers.
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# RE: Greedy ThievesJohnnyC604 2012-11-26 12:29
I have filed a complaint with the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau against Paypal. This is the new board that is supposed to oversee things such as debt collection and credit reporting. I would urge anyone who had had a problem with Ebay and Paypal via the Buyer Protection Program to immediately file a complaint. I have spoken with personnel there and they are very interested in pursuing Paypal, but they need more complaints. Maybe if we swamp them, something will get done. Here is a link:
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# block user ocean_view...aka con artist on ebay!kacy s 2013-06-01 16:49
I will definitely do this! I have had such a problem with paypal just automatically refunding buyers who claim the item is damaged. One time I agreed to give a $300 refund and hit submit twice, giving the buyer a $600 refund and letting him keep all 19 pounds of the jewelry lot purchased from me. The buyer submitted photos of a damaged box THAT WAS NOT EVEN THE BOX I MAILED IT IN! This buyer, named ocean_view (PLEASE BLOCK THIS BUYER - SCAM ARTIST!!!) made claims that items were missing and had "water damage" that happened during shipping. The buyer claimed that 1 strip of tape was on the box. In reality, the post office made a joke about how much tape I had used on the package. Long Story. Regardless, after I made the mistake of submitting the refund that I agreed to just to avoid negative feedback, even though I knew it was a scam, the buyer swore up and down to quickly send it back to me. Well, after that the buyer told me to &%^$ off and stole the $300. Actually, he stole $600 and kept all of the jewelry. Paypal and ebay both saw our messages clearly stating the situation and knew the second refund was a mistake and still told me there was nothing they could do. I am so furiour, still! I work so hard to be an honest seller and it hurts to get scammed like this! Everybody...please block the user ocean_view. Hopefully you will avoid this con man that I was unlucky enough to meet.
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# MrJohn Reese 2012-12-07 03:53
I had this on-going experience whenever I sell on eBay. Most of the people there are Ok but don't believe for one second that you won't get burned. I simply told Paypal that buying anything on eBay is FREE. You don't have to pay for anything. All I have to do is complain and I'll get my money back. Hell, I even get my shipping fees back. Eventually I hope that eBay becomes bankrupt over this.
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# FraudSick and Tired 2012-12-20 19:39
I listed an expensive item on ebay and set it up with Buy-it-Now. An ebay buyer purchased the item. I sent the invoice and they issued an immediate PayPal payment. PayPal confirmed payment was received. I checked my PayPal account and sure enough the payment + shipping cost was there. PayPal indicated it was safe to ship the item. Nice, I thought. So I put the package together and send it USPS Express International per the buyers instructions. A day after I shipped it, I received a notice from PayPal regarding a claim against the payment made which put a hold on the money - pending investigation. I received an email from the PayPal account holder indicating his PayPal account was hacked and the person on Ebay who purchased (and paid) for the item used his account. I providing all of the details about the transaction to PayPal and contacted Ebay. Although the agent at Ebay said I will be protected in this case, I received nothing in writing - I have a bad feeling that I'll be screwed. I called USPS to see if I can stop the shipment. Too late, already out of the country.
Anyone else have a similar experience?? The first thing that came to my mind is close my PayPal account ASAP due to security breaches!!
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# completely agreemox-lotus 2013-02-05 11:50
I completely agree with you. I have been selling on Ebay for many years and in the last two years I have had this same scenario play out so many times. The buyer immediately files a claim the night after the auction and paypal holds your funds. If you don't have tracking information then paypal will ALWAYS refund the buyers money. If you do provide tracking information then all the buyer has to state is that the item is not as described and keep the item and get a full refund. I sell collectible cards and the average sell is about 5 dollars. You can not afford to do high shipping, tracking, and delivery conformation without risking getting low bids. So, you have to list several thousand dollars worth of merchandise and pray that you get honest buyers. I have even provided tracking, shown the item arrived at the buyers house, and then have the buyer re-list my item and claim they never got it. Paypal and Ebay is provided with the evidence and yet the money is still refunded. Buyers have even gone to the point of black mail. They will buy many low cost items and then threaten to leave false negative feedback if money is not transferred to them. You tell Ebay and nothing is done. As a seller it is almost impossible to make a living on Ebay now days. Websites and blogs even exist to teach buyers how to do this and Ebay takes no action.
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# bad feedbackgreg fedorowicz 2013-10-14 10:27
i was fired by ebay and was stripped of my store. a little advise-when i was selling i encountered strange emails from customers and they would say anything about feedback after shipment. contact ebay customer service or the resulation center and get your email in about any hint of feedback extortion. this way it will help your case if one becomes a issue. having 100% feedback means nothing to ebay, i was stripped of my store and i just got to 99%. i went into the hospital and i am the only one doing the shipping. some orders became late but delivered. being in the hospital is no excuse and i was downgraded to being below standard with 99% score-and shortly later i received my mc999 letter and poof 128 items removed from any advertisement-my store gone.i thought i had owned my own business-wrong-i would like to know how i can get started again
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# RE: bad feedbackMike Again 2013-10-20 10:31
In your post you let on quite a few tell tale statements. The "YOU Thought" being the biggest one.

The rules are all written, they are there for everyone to read but only a few successful people actually do it. You need to not only read all of them and the contract when you sign up but also to understand them and keep up with them.

Of Course going into the Hospital is no excuse! if it were every butt hook scammer would just say that. NO excuse for some things is correct. PLUS! you could have called the eBay support and they would have helped you immediately if your story were true. It's insane that you would think your customers would just eat the loss and eBay would overlook the incident when everything points to theft.

You thought you owned your business. You did. and do. you were just irresponsible with it and that is how they fail. i realize these are things that you do not want to hear but they are things you need to hear before you get going again.

want to get going again? Read the rules. You will need an entire new personality as well without being deceptive. get educated about the whole thing and do not follow instructions from sellers that are less successful than you want to be.

the rules are pretty plain but there is some room for interpretations in just a few places, when you come to these places and you feel confused, DO NOT ASSUME, Call eBay.

After you are done you have to do the exact same thing with pay pal. Pay Pal is an eBay company - it has a set of rules and they must be known.
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# Oh, great.James 2013-06-09 12:23
I fear this exact thing is about to happen to me.

I have 100 positive feedback in 306 transactions over 10 years time. A first-time ebay user who opened their account just 3 weeks ago filed a complaint to ebay that they never received a $92.00 item. IMMEDIATELY, PayPal took the funds out of my account. My auction states economy shipping, no tracking # supplied. Still waiting for this matter to be resolved, but after reading your anecdote above, I guess I'm out the 90 bux. Luckily, there was only $33 in paypal, and they're saying I owe them $60-something. They will never see it, they can fkn suck one. Ebay is obviously going to lose a lot more money on my future fees, because if they're gonna side with a first-time ebay user with a feedback score of 1 (the feedback from this transaction), over a 10+ year loyal user with 100% feedback, they are obviously not very smart. I will file complaints about ebay and paypal on every message board I could find if this matter is not resolved properly.
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# And the real problem is ...Philip Cohen 2013-06-09 16:12
The ugly reality for consumers dealing with the clunky, manipulative, unscrupulous and atrophying eBay/PayPal complex ...
"eBay-Facilitated Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay Auctions: Case Study #5" ...
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# eBay and Paypal scamming for cryptocurrencyShane van Ingen 2013-09-01 19:26
I enjoy eBay and Paypal so much now days.
Actually, I never had so many problems with people commuting fraud in my 4 years or so of having had used both these services to buy and sell.
Funny how people can communicate so well before they receive the product and the moment they receive it, a Paypal dispute arises in my inbox.. Woohoo!! US$650 out of pocket because 3 or 4 greedy fraud committing criminals can't work as hard as I've done. I hate eBay and I hate Paypal. Why does it take Paypal 2 weeks+ to think of a solution to my problem? I am still waiting.

My blog explains more
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalion 2012-04-02 17:19
i quit ebay a long time ago as i felt i got burned as a buyer. seller demanded more money for shipping and i paid--fearing i might not get the item or something. once in a while i sell things i need to get rid off and/or need the money. thanks for the story.
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# The only sellers left on eBay are the scammersJohn Reese 2012-12-07 04:04
Unfortunately, it's the good people that buy on eBay that suffer because the good sellers leave. The only sellers remaining are the thieves and scammers. I would not support eBay until things change. If you are not a thief, there's nothing on eBay for you.
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# RE: The only sellers left on eBay are the scammersScrounger222 2013-02-18 10:58
That's not true. Most sellers on ebay (like me) are great folks who work hard and are very honest. For that matter most of the buyers are as well. I make over 100,000 a year on ebay. If I have a package lost or stolen.....I take care of the customer. If the package was delivered and I suspect the buyer is a scammer he is blocked. I as a business man understand that there are losses. Paypal and ebay side with the buyers because they know that the customer is do all great sellers.
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# RE: RE: The only sellers left on eBay are the scammersJOE 2013-02-27 18:01
if you are selling expensive item, it will be another story....
you will not say so....

I am top rated seller with over 30000 feedback since 1999.

A buyer with 4 feedback bought my item, after received,
he just claim "not as described"

money being HELD and ebay asking he ship it back to me, guess what??
He shipped a box of junk back to me instead and he get his money back.

I report this issue to ebay but they cannot do anything as tracking show item returned...

so ebay believe a buyer with 4 feedback said item not as described.
but NOT believe a seller over 30000 feedback who received JUNK...

I do know package lost or stolen is a extra cost on top of a business.
but you know.. it do make me mad when those scammer can steal money from seller officially....

by the way, I sell photo equipment, guess how many item I have to sell to cover that 1 fraud... well.... I am leaving ebay soon.. :(
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# M.GeorgeMary George 2013-06-04 18:28
Ebay and Paypal are a joke.I was ripped off a few years ago several times.I had my Paypal account hacked into and my funds stolen.Paypal holds payments for 21 days.If you complain they will suspend the Paypal account.
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# Eschew Paypal?ehume 2012-04-02 18:01
Is it possible to refuse to accept Paypal as payment? Credit card only. It seems the problem is Paypal. Ditch it?
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# RE: Eschew Paypal?Olin Coles 2012-04-03 08:35
There are six available payment options: PayPal, ProPay, Skrill, Paymate, along with the sellers own merchant credit card account and payment upon pickup. You would think that using something, anything, outside of PayPal would shelter the seller from the often-abused Buyer Protection policy, but it doesn't. Each and every single payment option offered by eBay covers the purchase price plus original shipping if the item doesn't match the seller's description.

The bottom line: you sell on eBay, you lose with eBay.
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# RE: RE: Eschew Paypal?claydough 2012-04-13 16:19
Make all the deals u want the way u want. meet the client at whatever parking lot. And commence with a knife fight to resolve any disputes.
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# Really funnyHahahahaha 2012-06-26 18:24
This made me laugh out loud. Bravo sir, that was funny.
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# Just isn't true.Pat 2012-12-13 16:04
Without a payment going through paypal, eBay doesn't cover any dispute put in by the buyer. So if you make a payment through any other payment type EBP doesn't cover it.
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# RE: Eschew Paypal?stoneygit 2012-04-10 05:06
No because then they buy the item then send fake emails from the appropriate company saying that the payment is waiting in an offshore paypal/propay or whatever account and will be credited to your account as soon as they receive the tracking number for the item then when you realize what they've done they proceed to send threatening emails saying they're gonna take you to court if you do not supply the tracking number. Then you speak to ebay and they will not allow you to relist the item until an investigation has been completed. I't happened to us a while back.
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# YESSteven Papanu 2012-04-10 12:30
I sell quite a bit on ebay and share your concern deeply. I can't tell you how deeply! Nevertheless I still do use ebay both as buyer and seller.
1) Never leave any money in your Paypal account. As soon as you get paid, transfer it out into your linked bank account. They can't take it out of that.
2) You can indeed specify other forms of payment excluding paypal. Sometimes I ask for a check and time to clear. Get buyer's approval to protect yourself from ebay.
3) I've noticed more & more sellers restricting to USA only, for very good reason. I'm going that way myself.
4) The scammers seem to favor certain types of products. I stay out of them.
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# Using PaypalCindy 2012-06-22 12:14
My boyfriend and I recently sold items on eBay. They did NOT allow us to use any other form of payment other than Paypal. We event tried to type in the text that we would eccept check or money if buyer requested it. Ebay must be monitoring for words because they would not let us submit our product to bid until we took out the key words "check" and "money order." So we just stated we would accept "alternative" forms of payment if requested.

That said we still got scammed by a buyer in New York on a very expensive item we sold. He claimed the item smelled like cigarette smoke and was offensive to him and wanted his money back even though we specifically stated we would not take returns. No one in our house smokes and we used all new packaging.

Ebay only backs the buyer so even though we stated we would not accept returns, eBay policy states we have to. Then we asked about all the fees we had to pay on the money and eBay said they would refund those to us but we would have to reach out to Paypal to determine if we could recoup those fees.

I think it is high time someone came up with an alternative to eBay. I won't use them anymore.
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# paypal accountPTucker 2012-08-06 09:03
I was stupid enough to send an iphone3GS to Russia and exactly 40 days later, I get this email that said he didn't receive it. I'm sure I screwed up and will lose, but will paypal just take the money out of my bank account?! This is my first and will be my last burn. I'm too naive to deal with this crap. Do you think it's worth fighting or just refund? I've heard you just can't win.
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# hey :)friendfrompaypal 2012-10-10 00:50
did the buyer open a claim already? DONT INITIATE REFUND YET. Contact us in PP, we will escalate you to our dispute dept. as long as you have proofs of shipping, we can close any case in your favor in reference to that transaction :)
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# DiamondIllusionsandg emsDawn 2012-10-22 02:14
That's funny, I have proof of shipping out to Russia, and Canada, and also to Australia, However within days of selling to the jerk in Russia, he was emailing me wanting proof that I shipped the item Priority International, which I did, and bought the shipping through paypal and ebay. He threatened me that if he did not receive the item before the 40 days, he would claim item not received. Well, he did just that within two weeks. Now, at the same time, I also sold the same item as I had a few in stock, one also to Canada, and they received their item within 10 days or less, left good feedback, yet the tracking is still showing "still in transit". This is a 400.00 dollar item. About a week later, I sold an item to Australia, and they have also received their item, left good feedback and again still shows "in transit". I will never sell again on ebay, and I've been buying and selling since 2001 with 100% feedback. I'm honest, and go by the rules, and yet I'm afraid that Paypal will indeed side with this scammer. I've been tracking this scammer's buys on ebay, and most are all low ticket items including he purchased CZ's right after he bought the Moissanite ring I sold him,.. I point blanked asked him.. What are you going to do, change out the stones then claim item not as described? He then got very defensive and escalated the claim. I contacted paypal, and told them of his purchases and my fears. I just can not believe that this is happening..first time ever in all these years.
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# Mrs.M.G.Mary George 2012-10-22 14:02
Paypal does not need small sellers anymore.Now they are attached to super companies like Walmart.
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# RE: DiamondIllusionsandg emsDouglas C. Walter 2012-11-15 19:07
Only send items out of the country by USPS Express mail. US packages should always be sent signature required. It makes for expensive shipping overseas and some customers may complain about having to go to the post office, but I have seen a drastic reduction in problems shipping this way. Resist the temptation to ship things cheaper. It always backfires.
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# Mrs.Mary George 2012-10-22 13:59
Don't trust Paypal or Ebay.Both rip sellers and buyers off.Use Craig's List and just be careful.
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# Ebay and Paypals terms suck!!sellandboughtonebay 2012-10-31 21:48
Ive been scammed on Paypal and Ebay too. I sell small things, never expesnsive things so that I don't get scammed. I just hate hate hate the politics of Ebay and Paypal Who are they to say how many accounts you can link to your own accounts??? They have my bank accouns, my credit card accounts, my phone numbers, my address and even my blood!! But they still punish the sellers!!! I really hate them, but for now will use them ( in a limited capacity)until someone gives u a better solution
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# diamondillusionsandg emsDawn 2012-10-24 10:16
Yeah sure.. update.. you all sided with this scammer! you all have proof of shipping, still shows in transit, and you sided with the buyer. I've contacted the Russian post and the authorities over there, and will now contact the Attorney General where you.. paypal operates. This is fraud!! I'll never sell to anyone again in Russia or overseas! I'm out of 400.00 dollars now, and the jerk probably has my ring! Where is the justice in this? It is US the sellers, making money for you paypal and ebay, yet you penalize us and side with the scammers!!!
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# DITTOgunnar 2012-10-24 14:09
I had same issue.. sold an item for 155 to someone in Russia, with proof of shipping. They claimed after 35 days they didn't get it. Ebay refunded money. They debited my paypal account and then charged my credit card on file without my permission. eBay is crooked and their policies suck! I have filed complaints with Consumer Protection and the Federal Trade Commission. I wouldn't recommend selling anything on eBay. We all need to spread the word and get eBay to take responsibility for their actions.
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# gangstabay got yajust got burned real bad by gangsabay 2012-11-12 18:40
they indeed don't give crap about anything but cash in their pocket. prices so low they attract millions of buyers and buyers who don't care how they get something as long as they get it cheep or free. too many have figured out the buyer protection scam and use it over again. I was once a starry eyed naive ebayer and dreamed of a home business with extra income from ebay..dream is now a nightmare and got ripped off just like you. eBay outsources all labor to India they certifiably do not care one bit about your loss.
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# Iphone not ReceivedPamm 2012-11-05 18:29
I also sold a Iphone 4s to another Country its been 33 days, the Seller Emailed me acting very nicely saying he didn't get it what should he do. So of course I shipped it first class internationally it was a $600 phone. Once it goes into Customs out of the Usa they don't scan the USA labels, so there are no updates on where the item is. Before I knew it the Buyer Opened a Case on Pay-pal Wanting a Full Refund, and of Course My Account is Froze With a Negative Balance for $500. Awaiting for their decision, Even though it shows the Item was shipped it doesn't show it was delivered because It won't, it shows just until it left Usa. So of course I know Pay-pal is going to side with the Buyer, its not fair I don't have the Phone, I tried to Insure the Item & According to The Rules you Cannot Insure Electronics. So I am out of a Phone, but before I let them Debit my checking account for this thief, I will close out my Checking Account. I Don't have $500 they can just take. I am not going to be a victim. There should be a better way of tracking these packages to other Countries!!
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# Items Scannedebay sucks 2012-11-07 07:55
Thats not true in regards the tracking I have used "Express Mail International" and recently sent an iPhone 5 to the Ukraine and the tracking said, says note left and then delivered the next day. And I also had the same deal when I sent something to Italy as well. I put Souvenir on the description for the one out to the Ukraine.
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# ms.barbara P 2012-09-17 17:22
Gosh i was thinking of becoming a seller but forget it,i wouldnt touch that with a ten foot pole? Why so much differences? Why are things so unfair?
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# ..Selling on ebay. I feel the same way.randomx 2012-10-06 15:14
My first time ever selling..I was selling my old ipod touch because it had broke. I realized after reading a couple seller 'horror' stories just how scary selling could be..and all I could do was hope for the best.

Well, everything did go fine for selling my ipod touch 4th generation 32GB for $100 to a nice guy down in the States, but the only thing that did go wrong was the 15% of ebay fees that I wasn't expecting to get. Most of that was just the 'final value fee.' I mean, I was already losing money on it..I didn't need ebay to take such another huge chunk of money away from me..I vowed not to sell again on ebay because of the highway robbery ebay fees, but the market is just so huge and vast compared to small craigslist or kijiji, that it is tempting to sell something on there because of that market.
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# FeesPamm 2012-11-05 18:36
I agree the Fees are Crazy, And It Goes Up All The Time, The Most Recent Ludicrous new Fee is now they are charging us Fees on Our Shipping Cost. That is the Craziest Thing I have Ever Heard. But to Recoup your Fees, They have a E-bay Calculator you can figure out what your fees will be, don't forget your pay-pal fee too & add it back into the Item Your Selling's cost. Your right E-bay is so big your almost guaranteed to sell it. But The Fees are Just Insane.
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# hate to pay'da- bayjust got burned real bad by gangsabay 2012-11-12 18:47
Even if you add it back that will only increase the fee's and its just goes on and on. best to deal small and if you get ripped its not such a big loss, DO NOT sell international. TOO much risk and the odds are against you you will lose at some point. Stop sending high dollar iphone to other countrys wow..thats asking for it
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# Mrs.M.G.Mary George 2012-10-22 14:00
Don't use Ebay or Paypal.
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# RE: ms.Lenny 2013-02-25 10:27
Don't you believe it Barbara P. Ebay is a great place to buy and sell. The people complaining must be Republican Congressmen. In other words even if you don't know what you are talking about, you will give your opinion even if it is wrong. I've been doing ebay since 1998 and paypal shortly after that. The only people having trouble on ebay brought it on themselves. To be a success on ebay takes real work. So those of you who can't do ebay well, need to keep their opinions to themselves.
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# A great place to buy?Philip Cohen 2013-02-25 11:35
A great place to buy? Only if you are very careful ...
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# RE: A great place to buy?Fight PayPal 2013-02-26 22:16

Sign up and join the figh
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# RE: YESrandomx 2012-10-06 15:05
..Hey, Canada is alright too.. )=
I mean, I hope Canada is a fairly safe place to ship to..? I live in BC, near Washington, and I feel it's fairly safe anyways..I'm not sure why some sellers say that they won't ship to Canada..

But. I guess it just depends on the buyer who is wanting to buy your listing, a bad buyer could be from any country, even the USA.
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# RE: YESSGladson 2012-10-15 01:28
I always take money from PayPal account immediately but if there is a problem PayPal will make a refund from your account, leaving it negative, and send you to a collection agency! This is what I'm dealing with, though I had tracking, signature confirmation, etc. Expensive item stolen by postal worker, buyer knew it and didn't want to wait for post office to resolve it, so turned to PayPal for recourse. I have been successfully selling on eBay since 2001, with 100% feedback, 5 stars, but it didn't matter. I'm taking PayPal to small claims court and writing to Attorneys General in both concerned states due to fraudulent practices on PayPal's part.
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# SGladson, Eh..?Randomx 2012-10-17 07:50
How do you know that the item was stolen by a postal worker..?
And how would the post office know about it/resolve it..?

Right now, I've been waiting for two packages sent from the USA since September 30th, and October 1st..that's 16 days that I've been waiting, and it usually never takes that I wonder what happened to my packages..? I've bought many countless things before, and they usually take only 4 - 7 days to ship from the USA. The only packages that ever took this long were from China. So it's odd, and I wonder if it's just the postal service being slow or something right now. :S
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# RE: SGladson, Eh..?SGladson 2012-10-17 08:21
I shipped the package signature tracking where the person it was delivered to must sign for it. The package never showed up, but the signature tracking shows that a postal worker signed for it but did not put the address on the signature. I was contacted by a detective from the USPS about it. My local PostMaster agreed that it was probably the post worker. What did the post office do to resolve it? I don't know. But I am currently appealing the insurance claim as it was turned down the first time though I insured the package for full amount. It was collectible medallions that were thought to be currency. In my appeal, I got a letter from my bank where I took similar medallions to "cash in"! The bank guy thought I was nuts at first until I told him why I was doing it. I just refiled the claim so do not know the outcome yet. BUT, PayPal gave the full $1125.00 back to the buyer though I had signature confirmation tracking, all that was required. That is why I am taking them to small claims court and to the Attorneys General in both states. On international packages, if shipped Priority with USPS there is an automatic small insurance amount on the package. Sometimes it does take longer though.
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# There is DEFINITELY a problem with mail from the US to Canada just nowJames 2012-11-14 06:33
I bought 3 items on eBay from the US at the end of September and I am STILL waiting for them!!! They were shipped and the tracking shows they have moved part way through the postal system.
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# RE: There is DEFINITELY a problem with mail from the US to Canada just nowPhilip Cohen 2012-11-14 06:40
And if they don't turn up, after 45 days neither eBafia or PreyPal will help you ...

And, the ugly reality for consumers dealing with the eBafia/PreyPal complex ...

?Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay: Case Study #5? ...
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# Diamondillusionsandg emsDawn 2012-10-22 02:20
let me know how to take paypal to small claims court.. as I fear paypal is going to side with the jerk Russian buyer I'm dealing with now.
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# Mrs.M.G.Mary George 2012-10-22 14:05
Paypal will side with the criminal that you are dealing with.Now Paypal likes to hold payments for 21 days and you still have to send the item first.Paypal will hold your funds in your account for six months if you make them mad.Paypal does hold grudges.
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# Attorney General sounds goodjust got burned real bad by gangsabay 2012-11-12 18:50
I enjoy finding good ideas I'm going to also write to the Attorney General, may not do me much good but if enough get feed up with it maybe we can make a change
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# File a Complaint online with the new CFPBJohnnyC604 2012-11-26 12:32
The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is supposed to versee financial institutions such as Paypal (if I can dignify them with that title). File a complaint online at :

Even if you have resolved the complaint, or think it hopeless, if the CPFB gets swamped with complaints about Ebay and Paypal, they will take action.
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# 1) addendumSarah 2012-11-09 08:01
1) good advice - but you should know that Paypal will still issue a refund through any linked bank accounts:

"If your PayPal balance does not cover the refund:

If you have a confirmed U.S. bank account, we'll withdraw the amount of the refund from your bank account.
If you don't have a confirmed U.S. bank account, you won't be able to issue the refund until you add money to your PayPal balance."

So be aware that any bank accounts remaining linked to your Paypal are liable to be withdrawn from in the event that Paypal sides with the scamming buyer.
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# Alternative to a bank account.mikeJones 2012-11-15 11:01
Go to your local drug store and buy a prepaid card that you can add money to. Then you can use it as a bank account. It comes with an account number and routing number. Paypal accepts it as a regular bank account and you can easily get it verified. it's like a bank account with very little risk. you only risk the money that you have in the prepaid account and not your actual bank account. Then paypal cant take your hard earned money any time they want.
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# Use a sub-AccountJames Bosch 2012-11-18 08:50
If you have a linked bank account, PayPal WILL grab the money from your bank. I use a sub-account and shift the money into my real account. But, then you will receive a NSF when PayPal tries to steal the money from your account. It was a hassle; fortunately, my bank sided with me and reversed all the non-sufficient fund fees. But beware! You not only have to move all the money from PayPal, but then once at your bank, you have to move the money to another account. PayPal is evil!
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# Paypal & Your Bank AccountJohnnyC604 2012-11-23 17:36
Paypal can and will reach into your linked bank account and remove money from it at will. If you have a "negative balance" resulting from a transaction reversal due to a Buyer Protection Claim, their "balance manager" program comes into play. In my situation, I had a -$885.00 balance due to a Buyer Protection case. During this time I paid my Paypal Mastercard bill, which was $142.00, online using my linked bank account. Despite the fact the screen nodal said $142.00 when I clicked OK, Paypal added the $885.00 to the transaction and via this stealth method withdrew $1027.00 from my bank account. To make a long story short, Paypal put it in the fine print that you have previously agreed to allow them to resolve negative balances by withdrawing money from any funding source you have listed such as a credit card or linked bank account. They prefer to raid your bank account in the manner I described as they are hoping you will not notice what they did until they have your money securely and cannot get it back. They are truly scum. I have filed a case with the CFPB, but things do not look good. Paypal has written their policies in such a manner as to bullet proof themselves, and by using their services you are agreeing to said policies. Per their new policies, you cannot litigate any disputes in the courts, as you have already agreed to arbitration as a resolution method. Oh, and the good part about the arbitration is that it is mandatory, the decision cannot be appealed, and Paypal has to be the one to file the arbitration request.
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# RE: Paypal & Your Bank AccountPhilip Cohen 2012-11-23 19:08
Close that bank account; never give PreyPal direct access to a bank account; only ever give them access to funds via a Visa or MasterCard credit card account; otherwise you are asking to be shafted, and you will eventually be shafted by this clunky, unscrupulous operator ...

And the ugly reality of the clunky PayPal, et al ...
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# RE: YESChris 2013-05-26 10:47
What types of items do scammers prefer?
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# ms.barbara P 2012-09-17 17:17
cant a person request cash? I dont even want a check from anybody. I have requested this to seller. I dont want to use the credit card for anymore purchases.
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# RE: Eschew Paypal?Mark Willoughby 2012-09-25 07:31
Nope, ebay own Pay Pal i think so it is compulsory to offer it as an option i'm afraid.
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# Mrs.Mary George 2012-10-22 13:56
Ebay wants sellers and buyers to use Paypal.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalPhilip Cohen 2012-04-03 15:15
And, just for a laugh, some serious analyses of PayPal's "The New Way To Pay In-Store", PayPal Here, PayPal Digital Wallet, PayPal Debit MasterCard, PayPal Local and Watch With eBay ...

eBay / PayPal / Donahoe: Dead Men Walking
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# I was almost burnedRJ 2012-04-03 18:33
Similar story, I sold an item at a very reasonable price and used a stock photo (stating the photo was of a slightly different package but same exact item, manufacturer/model etc)

They opened the mailing package and claimed it wasn't what they purchased and paypal automatically sided with them but wouldn't give a refund until they shipped it back in the same condition as they received it. The buyer ended up closing the claim, I'm assuming because they had broken the seal of the unopened item.

I'm glad they didn't report receiving an empty box, and I'm also glad after reading this story that I stopped using ebay when my trouble with paypal began.
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# well...Hmm 2012-10-10 17:31
I think the moral of that story is, next time to not use a stock photo. Ebay does give you one free photo. ;D

Although not using ebay and paypal again is a good choice too. ^_^
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# Mrs.M.G.Mary George 2012-10-22 14:06
Well HMMM,get off of your highhorse.Paypal and Ebay side with criminals all of the time.
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# got me tooBob B 2012-04-04 08:11
Had them do a 6 month old chargeback, of a considerable amount. They wouldn't even tell the name of the person who filed it. I think they invented the entire thing. There's no proof there was any real chargeback. Perfect scam since paypal doesn't answer to anyone.
No more ebay or paypal for me but I'll gladly tell people how to get free things since that's how things are done in the world of ebay and paypal. My hope is to cost them many many times more than they stole from me.
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# ebay sellerSherine 2012-04-05 10:22
Out of the 23 items I have sold on ebay in the last 2 weeks, I have gotten four "not as described" emails from buyers. This has NEVER happened before, as I am very meticulous about describing my items. Most want a "partial refund" to make up for the difference between what they got and what they thought they were getting. After giving a partial refund to the first two, I just started telling buyers to return the item and I would be happy to refund their money. Then I don't hear from them again. I think they just want to pay less than they bid, so they send the "not as described" emails to try to coerce sellers into refunding part of their payment. Ebay needs to figure out how to remedy this. I have been selling on ebay for ten years. I took a break last year, and now that I am back, I am ready to call it quits.
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# Sold a camera 3 timesBob R 2012-04-06 17:21
First time, sold it to a woman in SoCal - transaction went smoothly, so I gave her solid feedback. At the 43rd day point, she forgot the eBay policy and whined that the camera had a scratch and she needed $200 back since it was misrepresented. PayPal's involvement was to sit on the transaction for 30 days and then have her send the camera back. I had to physically visit the Post Office since the name she used had nothing to me with the seller, and her return address did not bear her name - nevertheless, I did find the camera and resold it. The next buyer wanted me to ship it to Viet Nam using USPS and mark it as junk for rework. I asked for $225 for FedEx, and he walked away. The next buyer in Seattle paid more than the prior two and is perfectly happy. I tried to sell a car on CraigsList and soon saw the PayPal scam = "I am so busy, but really want your stuff, please accept my PayPal payment and somebody will pick it up. They drive it for 43 days, and then invoke the PayPal recover process. You get your car back with about 5,000 more miles on it, and they get back their money. Fair - NO!
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# Sony xperia ionReza 2012-09-13 01:46
I put a locked AT&T phone on KSL to sell it for $295. Then I got this email:
i really
need to buy this for my cousin schooling outside the country as a
gift. I have been trying to buy this on eBay but its so very
stressful buying i will offer you $450 including the shipping cost, i
will be paying through PayPal because i have a verified account with
PayPal. get back with you PayPal email address and the full name on it
so i can make payment into your PayPal account.once payment clears.get
back to me if my approval is granted.i would like to see the picture
and also the condition which the item is please. Kindly accept my offer and get back to me with your paypal email ID,full name so i can make the payment.
Await your response soon

It's good to know.
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# heyfriendfrompaypal 2012-10-10 00:54
definitely a SPOOF/FAKE email. :) If you dont see the transaction on your Paypal Account AND you didnt receive any email from , THEN THERE IS NO TRANSACTION AT ALL. Call us and we will tell you more about it :)
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# go away paypaldouchebagjust got burned real bad by gangsabay 2012-11-12 18:55
nobody wants your kind here, what are spying for the rat outfit you work for? scumbag
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# Overbidding scam similarb w h 2012-09-10 23:46
I have been caught by this scam and it makes one negative to selling on Ebay as a private seller.

The way it works, the buyer pays through Paypal and waits until you have given him/her a
good evaluation report.
Shortly after the sellers good payment report is logged on Ebay, the buyer complains by Ebay email that the item is not as specified in the sellers details.
The buyer then says that he/she will accept the item at a reduced price, or if the seller does not agree to this the buyer will ask for a full refund.
This puts the buyer in a difficult position knowing that the Paypal buyers protection will automatically apply if the buyer asks for full refund under the guise of item not as described. The seller then has two choices, try and fight the argument out though Ebay (who will always decide in the buyers favour, or give in to the buyers discount request.
In the end the seller will lose out by either giving the discount to the buyer or having the problem of getting the goods back and possibly in abused condition.
The buyer uses this technique to get the item at the price he intended to pay. The result is that other honest bidders are cheated and the seller has a lot of hassle.
The sellers paypal account is frozen and shows a debit of the transaction price whilst the argument is
Ebay make no attempt to verify the buyers complaints, and will not look at high res. pictures of the item to establish the sellers claim.
Further to this, the buyer gives the seller a bad transaction report, the seller has his sellers worthyiness percentage reduced, and cannot make comments on the buyers transaction evaluation (that is why the buyer waits for the seller to acknowledge the payment and give a good evaluation report first.).
This all amounts to a real painful transaction for the seller and is certainly a reason not to sell again on Ebay.
This all refers to honest sellers of course, in my case the item in question was brand new and only unboxed, it was described as in "used and in new condition". The buyer complained the item was not new, it was scratched and dirty, all untrue.
Point! Do no give your evaluation of the buyers payment until the last moment when the transaction is close (30 days).
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# eBay No MoreDan Ferguson 2012-04-09 23:22
Sad to say your story is just another drop in the bucket. I've had enough bad experiences on eBay as both buyer and seller that I'm done. You get gouged as a seller, assuming all the risk, and any savings as a buyer are negated by the probability of a bad seller. I almost always use local classifieds. I like looking people in the eye and being honest in my transactions. Things aren't always perfect, but much better. I can't wait until teleporters are invented so you can physically examine that rare vintage item in person before the sale ;-)
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPals2korpio 2012-04-10 00:03
Never had to deal with eBay, and with this I don't think I'll ever be. Thanks for the heads up.
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# Bad Sellers and Bad BuyersYour right... 2012-04-10 00:28
I have been scammed on ebay, I have also been refused a refund by the company who, are breaking the law! However that is STILL on going and I had no choice but to open a case with PAYPAL for that. PKR-TECH who I brought the graphics card from, will not refund me at all even though the item will not work, I have proof the item is faulty! Also sending it back within 28 days, they have no choice but to refund me... I have now brought a working card from AMAZON... I think I will stick to the bigger stores in future, have been scammed on ebay so many times.. I am losing faith with ebay and some of its dodgy sellers...
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# I Will get a Refund...Your right... 2012-04-10 11:36
I did call PayPal today, and I was told, no matter what he does, I will still get a refund when the times up this coming sunday...

Which is great for me, however even if he decides to send me back the faulty card, I will still get a refund!!!

So I could rip him off, however unlike many who do, I will not having refused receipt of the graphics card this very morning, it will now take him a month to get it back...

Did he deserve this, yes the company did, because the customer service was terrible, rather then just send a new one straight away, which he should have, he decided to test the card for a week, then saying it was not faulty!!! Well when a card has graphic errors on screen, you can safely say its a faulty card...

I have now purchased a card from Amazon, which will be here in the next few days...

Will I use Ebay again, I have had some really great success with them, however, recently I have really be stung, in a good way PayPal has always paid me back in the end, which is great, however, if you think that I could have got my whole computer for nothing, if I wanted to scam... Makes you think the system really does need changing...

If the company had given me better customer service, I would have put up with all the issues...

To be honest, I will only sell on EBAY now, and then I dont offer refunds... I also take photos of all the goods being sent off, going into the parcel and all are sent recorded delivery...

One more tip dont buy anything from Egypt...
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# Resp: I will get a Refundbobby 2012-10-05 13:02
Partner I hate to pop your bubble but you can mention all you want THAT YOU DO NOT EXCEPT RETURNS it falls on ebay's policy that the buyer has full control of the purchase. Say anything you want but non of it applies to the buyer, the buyers can get REFUNDS, FREE RETURN SHIPPING FEE, FREE SHIPPING, FREE PRODUCT, FREE EVERYTHING

I know because as a consultant to 5 Big PowerSellers who are not big enough to have any clout with ebay/paypal when dealing with SCAMMY buyers, no matter what you do as a seller even with proof of your claim falling to your favor the SCAM BUYER WINS EVERYTIME

Also to many returns or open cases (3) to be exact, or 3 natural/neg feedbacks puts the fee's at 22% to 33% and your search ranking gets polled to zero meaning KNOW ONE WILL FIND YOUR ITEMS.

Go LOCAL craigslist, backpack or go EBID.NET with them they will import all your positive ebay feedback kill all the neg. and you can ACCEPT any payment you want including charging whatever for shipping. They do no let automatic neg. post it takes weeks of review and they still may not allow the neg. feedback. $55 makes you a lifetime member with no fees.

My clients are doing well there and we keep all the ebay crappy sales to 20 items per month where as before we where posted 900 items per month.

Hope this HELPS - Screw ebay now they hold you money for 21 DAYS! while you ship and pays fee's before ever getting paid.
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# RE: Resp: I will get a Refundgrooveshark 2013-05-02 19:19
You claim to be a consultant to big players but your writing would have failed the third grade. You don't know the difference between simple words like "no" and "know", or "accept" and "except". Guess what? Different words have different meanings. So, less than convincing.
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# EbayTony 2012-04-10 01:13
Ebay is terrible for buyers and sellers. Worse so for the sellers. Granted, they do deal with a lot of scamming sellers, but by far is the buyers. They feel entitled to anything and everything. I sold a small item on Ebay (less than $3.00), and the buyer was not happy. It was my fault, I miscatorgized it. In exchange, I offered the buyer a refund, and to keep the item as the S&H would just exceed the small price. The buyer was OFFENDED that I wasted his time and offered for him to both keep the item AND his money. Entirely insane.
If you purchase items on Ebay, watch for fake/counterfeits. Ebay does little to nothing to stop them (especially DVDs - movies/games/etc).
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# Mrs.M.G.Mary George 2012-10-22 14:09
Get off of this page Paypal lover.
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# Scam HavenRay 2012-04-10 04:05
Watch out for international fraud cases. I've been burned several times. One case to Brazil where Buyer refused to pick up $1,200 item from Customs (to pay customs fees). They filed that they did not receive item case even though the tracking clearly showed the item in Customs waiting for recipient to come in and take care of customs payment. PayPal gave the buyer a full refund from my account. Then I got to watch though tracking as the buyer retrieve the item from Brazilian customs. Out the item, out the money. Luckily, the item was insured for a maximum value of $1,000 and I was only out the $200 difference plus $60 shipping. I was shocked that I did receive the PayPal touted insurance.
Another case to Russia. Buyer initiated a claim that they never received $225 item before the expected delivery date. Tried to drag that one out but PayPal gave full refund faster than you could shake a stick at. USPS International number given from post office is not a tracking number anymore. Can't insure unless sent expedited mail. [USPS recommends get Return Receipt from mail recipient].
Lessons learned. Never sell and ship items to places where it can't be tracked or insured. Block Brazil and Russia due to cases like these (if you're brave enough, do a Google search for eBay fraud Brazil or Russia.) PayPal requires a signature from recipient at delivery in order to back Seller (like they're really going to sign their real name)
I'm sure there are plenty of good folks out there buying. But it really sucks when there's others out there that prey, take advantage of the liberal eBay/PayPal system then get to walk away unobstructed by what appears to be policies that entice bad behavior, pretty much encouraging it. What do they have to lose?
Last but not least - then there are the stupid buyers that think your square peg should fit in their round hole, then claiming it's not what they wanted. Apparently, pictures and concise descriptions are not enough to thwart the idiocy. Help fight this problem. Just say no to eBay and PayPal. Wish there was a real alternative out there...
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# RE: Scam HavenJust Computers 2012-04-10 11:49
Sometimes when your in a position, like I am, you really do need this money back Gtee...

However they should look more at the tracking details to see, for instance in my case, I refused the package... I could have taken it and had my money back, instead I refused it, as its a faulty item... So its on its way back to them, and I will have my money back...

I have also been stung, brought a solid state hard drive, location in Ireland, however seller was registered in Egypt!!!!

If I knew that I would never have given them my money, as the hard drive never turned up, however EBAY should have seen this was a fake, due to new seller...

They should have a policy in place that new sellers under the rating of 5 can only buy, and not sell expensive gear, until they have a higher rep, protecting people like us...

However this faulty graphics card issue I have, is in the UK. They thought if they sent it back to me as it is, I would not get a refund... PAYPAL have already confirmed a refund will be granted when the date is due...

So sellers dont have a leg to stand on at all, however if more sellers were honest, it would not have to be like this... I should have had a refund when I asked for one, when THEY had the card, last thursday, instead the company wanted to play games with me, that made me want my money back even more...

So much so that I phoned PAYPAL...
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalwhynotv2 2012-04-10 04:07
Don't forget that as a seller you can't post anything other than positive feedback (or none at all) for a buyer even if they fail to pay, back out, don't communicate, etc. That's about the time eBay started to go to total crap. Then there's always the ebay double dipping. Ebay charges a fee to list and then a percentage of what you sell the item for. Once the buyer pays using the forced by Ebay payment method of paypal, you also pay a percentage of the money you recieve. Since Ebay owns PayPal, Ebay is charging you twice for the same sale. This is why I don't use ebay to sell anything anymore and take my chances with a smaller market using person, cash only (bring a counterfeit money marker).
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# PayPalbarry 2012-04-10 04:41
I once bought a cell phone through eBay and it was through a Canadian eseller. My credit card was charged, but I never received the item. PayPal didn't even consider my claim of non-receipt. They just didn't care and refused my claim. Uh, it was supposed to come by FedEx, who require signature copies of the delivery, so unless you have a signature, 'fess up #s! I fnally contacted my credit card company, and they resolved the issue in my favour. So screw PayPal. They're the real crooks!
And the eseller....well he's not around any longer. I guess he was finally caught up and dealt with!
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# Similar Issues with Amazon MarketplaceMark 2012-04-10 06:01
While I have not experienced this issue with Ebay, I have experienced this same issue with the Amazon Marketplace. Amazon flatly stated that they resolve all problems in favor of the buyer no matter the extenuating circumstances. The only solution that made sense was to stop using the Amazon Marketplace.
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# That's worrisomejeffredo 2012-04-10 08:53
I've used Amazon Marketplace to sell a half dozen video cards or DVD players over the past three or four years and every one went off without a hitch. I guess I was lucky to have gotten very conscientious buyers who really wanted the item and weren't trying to scam me. I was hoping after reading this article about Paypal and eBay that Amazon wouldn't be as bad. Guess I've been lucky so far and should expect the worst next time I sell with them.
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# Mrs.M.G.Mary George 2012-10-22 14:10
I found out the hard way about Amazon's policy of accepting whatever a buyer comes up with.
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# Amazon Marketplace ScmasMel 2013-11-19 10:00
We had to stop using Amazon Marketplace as well ... horrible horrible polices and nearly impossible to get in contact with. If you will believe it, their claims department does not have phones. You cannot contact the claims department.
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# I tried selling on Ebay burnedjustjoel73 2012-04-10 06:28
I had purchased on Ebay plenty of times with only 2 issues out of hundreds of transactions. I then tried to sell a box of NIB out of production collector game cards worth $$$ and got burned. Paypal screwed me too, even with proof of delivery and charged me back. That was when I discovered if a seller gets stuck with a bad buyer there is nothing you can do. That was 4 years ago. I have not used Ebay since then to buy or sell. It is no wonder sellers will not do business with anyone without alot of positive transaction history.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalSherine 2012-04-10 06:34
Has anyone tried yardsellr or hipswap? I might try to sell a couple of items on these sites to see how they work. I recently sold a Bible on ebay. I received a "not as described" email from the buyer (such a common email to receive these days, BTW). He said there were creases on the title page (this was noted in the description) and that page 194 was coming loose from the binding. Since it came in the original box, he said, it must have been that way before I shipped it. I emailed him back to let him know that the Bible I sold did not come with an original box, and could he have confused mine with another Bible he bought at the same time. I got an email back: "Wrong book...the one YOU sold me has page 28 coming loose from the binding" He received two Bibles at the same time, both with ONE page coming loose from the binding? Give me a break! He is sending it back for a full refund! Also had someone buy a vintage mechanical pencil. Got a "not as described" email: "NO BOX???" I emailed back, this is a vintage item and no box was mentioned or pictured. He emailed back: "YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID IT DIDN'T COME WITH THE ORIGINAL BOX" My listings clearly state "what you see in the picture is exactly what you get" Guess I will have to spell it our more clearly. I told him to go ahead and send it back and I would refund his money. I haven't heard from him since. This is the way ebay goes these days. I HATE it!
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalNoBudE 2012-04-10 07:12
I had this happen to me once, and thankfully only once, with a digital game download.

Because digital distributors are handling payment and other activities such as downloads and accounts, you?d think any empty-box product issues the distributor has shouldn?t affect the seller, but that?s not what happened. A claim was made on PayPal for a missing product, and the customer was refunded with money straight out of my account.

What?s really problematic here is that I was the one responding to the customers? claim e-mail with suggestions such as logging into his or her account on the distributor?s website or checking his or her spam box. Well the customer never responded.

Thankfully, I had the customer?s e-mail address from the distributor and e-mailed directly with a one-time download link. In this case, the customer was finally able to both download and run the game.

The second problem was PayPal. Now that I finally got the customer his or her product, I had to go about proving this to PayPal. I can?t remember if I called or e-mailed them; probably both, but I did denote in the case log this problem was resolved and the customer had his product.

For proof, I explained the customer never responded in the PayPal case even though I was offering solutions, revealed the customer had a valid user account with this distributor and that the customer was refusing to login and download the game so there was nothing I could do about that, and sent an e-mail log showing the problem was resolved.
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# Too many scams to learn them allKelly 2012-04-10 08:02
There are way to many ways to get scammed when selling on ebay specially if you use paypal as the payment method. Now I was like you new to this and learned many lessons at a hefty price.
Ebay and Paypal are in it to make money which ever way they can so don't think for a second that you are protected it there is a buck to be earned for them. There are hundreds of websites, like paypalsucks, screw-paypal etc, to warn and enlighten you about the scams out there but often people visiting them do so after they been duped.
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# Paypal is pure evilMarissa 2012-04-10 08:51
There are tons of ways Paypal is ripping people off. How about the fact that they illegally seize people's money, hold it for 180 days all the while collecting interest and giving you none of it. They have been holding $6500 of MY money since October for NO REASON! NO reason other than I was making a lot of money and now I am not. THANKS!
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# Mrs.M.G.Mary George 2012-10-22 14:11
They did the same to me.
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# & AmazonSherine 2012-04-10 09:23
I also sell on Amazon & (another ebay "company")I have never had any problems with Amazon. One time a buyer complained about a flaw in a book that I had clearly disclosed in the description. I emailed Amazon, they checked the listing, and said that since I had disclosed the flaw, I was not under any obligation to refund the buyer's money. I have not had any troubles selling on either, except for the fact that charges the buyer more for shipping than they actually give to the seller. I think that is totally unfair, but guess I am agreeing to it since I agree to sell with them. Amazon charges more in commission than, but they always give the seller the whole amount of the shipping paid by the buyer.
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# Paypal is the one who Scam sellerFed-Up not Fed-ex 2012-04-10 11:19
i have experience selling on ebay , but my business end up with my paypal account were limited access WITHOUT ANY REASON.AND I LOST MY MONEY AND MY CAPITAL ALSO! They ask me to provide tracking number, identity card, credit card statement and everything just to make verify that im the the owner of the account. Yeah, as expected, Appeal denied and my account has been permanently limited. I belive most of the ebay seller who use paypal will experience the same thing like me, and they were frustrated! alot! because they lost their business, they lost their capital (if they already sent the item and paypal suddently limited their account). Payal only accept Fedex as their proof of delivery, but damn, can you imagine if you are selling 5 dollars item, would you spend it for 11 dollar just for the shipping cost? And what about international seller? did the fedex postage rate low as in the US too? no, absolutely not. I dont believe paypal is the "most secure place to paid ad be paid", but it should be "the most risky place to paid and be paid"

People said they can use propay, paypay, and what so ever pay-ed, but how many sellers also have that alternative pay? Not all alternatives payable method can be use worldwide, maybe only for a certain countries like us, canada, europe etc.. what about for brazil,argentina, australia, and other countries? definitely your business cannot going fully WORLDWIDE.

One more thing, ebay is currently allowing seller to only sell 5 item or item worth below 250 dollar per mont. This action is totally chasing out the true seller who want to make business on ebay! Guess who left after this policy implemented? SCAMMERS! They dont care if they can get only 250 dollars , they still got money without sending the REAL item. But what about for the genuine seller? what will you sell if you're allowed to sell only 5 item per month? Dont ebay thinks this is ridiculous policy? Sellers will assume EBAY are not relevant anymore to make business, even for a tiny deal.

Ebay and paypal should change their policy if they are really protect their consumer especially for the seller. Because the seller who will put their things on ebay and they are the one who pay fees, not buyer.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalendocine 2012-04-10 15:07
Fraud can't be stopped, and ebay can't ever guarantee anything for the buyer or seller, unless they operate like a traditional auction house, where the item is held by the auction house, a third party, and the bidders are vetted.

the paypal system is egregiously usurious, the fvf on the shipping is just outrageous, the fees are too high, and there really are too many people trying to scam. As a seller not only do you pay a FVF on the auction total, you pay to receive money via paypal, then you pay fvf on the shipping money that you receive. its not even worth selling small items.

I sell mostly used tech stuff, like video cards, etc, and dumb buyers think i will provide them with tech support (as if i make the item?), or ask stupid questions pre and post sale.

Then there are the international bidders you can not block because they use a mail forwarding service to ship the package outside of the US.

Really, you can not win. Just recycle your stuff.
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# RE: RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalJust Computers 2012-04-10 15:35
Makes me wonder why people dont use EBID??? Has a one of charge for fees then you can put up what you like for life... Has a better policy and more helpful staff... I used to use them, however not enough traffic, so had to turn to ebay???

Does anyone else know of better alternatives to ebay?
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalsh4un 2012-04-10 15:42
I feel for ya man. I enjoy buying off eBay, but when I looked into selling, it just could not be viable enough to be worth my while.

Most Important: learn from this.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalJust Computers 2012-04-10 23:23
Here's a review I completed with EBAY issues...

Like you I am really going to be choosy from now on, who I buy from...
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalgregzeng 2012-04-11 00:02
>> "It is no wonder sellers will not do business with anyone without alot of positive transaction history."

NOT TRUE. If the the price is 'too good to be true' - check again. Sellers history: Lots of fake sales, addresses, feedbacks. I reported it to eBay.
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# Ebay/Paypal going bye-byeKenton Wiedenbeck 2012-04-12 21:13
I have just transferred all remaining balance out of pay-pal and will be closing both pay-pal and my eBay account. Also looking at the technicals of their past stock mkt action are giving me some idea's on "buy to open" some PUT Options.
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# Paypal empowers me.claydough 2012-04-13 16:05
The last thing I want to do is spend the irritating energy of making my claim when I feel wronged during a purchase procedure.
And I always state and recored my case to the seller before ever making a claim.
And when my original pleas are met with snide derision I always remain polite in all correspondance. Please review this case which I have outlined in great detail.. blah blah blah.. I am sure is simply a misunderstanding.. blah blah blah.. And even if I need to continue the process with the additional advantage of paypal as a neutral 3rd party I hope as much will resolve this misunderstanding blah blah blah.

I do not understand why sellers find the need to correspond in aggressive tones when I remain polite. I assume many people feel their job r beneath them. ( in retail as well ) where in a Bad Economy, people still have not discovered humility. But as long as they respond with ridicule against the suggestion of my possible winning a paypal claim.. I will always champion paypal for empowering me to safely make a purchase knowing there is a 0% chance of being ripped off!

I love when the final response is...

" well I do not have to resend your product because of your paypal claim... I am just going to do it anyway "

I do not wish ill of any person making a living. But the greater of two evils?
What is more important to you? selling or buying on the Internet?

I never ever make a purchase without paypal.
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# RE: Paypal empowers me.claydough 2012-04-13 16:11
By 0% chance of being ripped off I am refering to the ebay seller or etailer.

Not paypal or Ebay...
But then again. Ebay became a losing game a looooong time ago.
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# Well This will Make you laugh...Just Computers 2012-04-13 17:01
So I called PAYPAL back today to get my claim... I told the guy that the seller had sent the card back, however I had already sent it back to him saying it was faulty...

Get this, the guy at paypal said... "well you sent it back, if the seller wanted to send it back to you thats upto him, however as you did send it back, you can have a refund...!"

I could have kept the card aswell, however as I am not a thief I refused to sign for it...

However some bad sellers do deserve what they get... They could have refunded me weeks ago...
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# Paypal empowers me?The Wilk 2012-06-19 06:19
Please keep using paypal it only a matter of time before you too will be ripped off by paypal that is FACT. I had never sold anything on ebay and I just sold two items both for £50 each, ebay fees £25.52 and god only nows how much paypal wants too. I requested I do not accept paypal however both buyers ignored this and ebay/paypal does not stop buyers from sending money by paypal even if the seller selects no to paypal. This from the ebay support (as I do not have active paypal account as paypal took over £5000 out my linked bank account, not for purcashe becasue they can. The ebay support wlk me thru online I set fictious item to sell requested no to accepting paypal, she bought and paid by paypal, humm. She then contact paypal and found out to her amaxment every ebay user has a paypal account automatically open using the email one uses to create ebay account. So there is no such thing as selling on ebay with out accept paypal. And paypal wants your bank account # to activate account. There no protection provide by ebay or paypal, I know I tried sueing paypla for the money they took out my account only to find I have to sue them in USA and since paypal illegal taking of funds out my account occured outside USA, paypal cannot be sued for illegal activities. So please keep using paypal it only a matter of time and you be ripped off to and that a fact.
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# Mrs.M.G.Mary George 2012-10-22 14:14
Do you work for Paypal?
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalWilliam Gonzalez 2012-05-02 17:54
Here is how EBAY Buyers abroad get FREE STUFF

International Shipping Scam tolerated by EBAY BUYER PROTECTION

Here is how the Scam works

Seller place item on EBAY
International Buyer wins item and pays for item plus S&H
You print international postage and custom forms from EBAY and get a tracking number starting with two letters and followed by numbers
You Ship item thru USPS


USPS accepts item
Item makes it all the way to Jamaica NY, 11430 USPS Origin Sort Facility
NOW USPS Tracking number stops here
Tracking numbers that starts with letters do not require scanning or tracking by destination Country Postal Service
Item is now en route to destination


Buyer waits a couple of weeks
Buyer place a claim to EBAY RESOLUTION CENTER stating he did not receive item
even if they did receive the item in question
EBAY Resolution Center contact Seller to provide USPS Tracking Number
Tracking Number shows final destination as Jamaica, NJ USPS Origin Sort Facility
EBAY Resolution Center will never receive a tracking confirmation from destination and will never receive proof of delivery even if item has arrived to destination.
Case is closed in FAVOR of Buyer because tracking number can not be accounted for after Jamaica, NJ , USPS Origin Sort Facility
Buyer gets back FULL amount they paid plus S&H

Buyer Gets Items for FREE and All Money Back

Seller is out of Item and Money

EBAY Resolution Center answer to this is that Seller should have had the item insured and registered
EBAY Resolution Center do not control any part of the shipping process that is ? conveniently? located on it's website.
Tracking number is absolutely USELESS
USPS do not have any mechanism in place for you to file a CLAIM for stuff sold internationally

Seller is SCREWED

Creatureunlimited Lost $39.45

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# Don't sell overseas!Spalding Green 2012-07-15 17:40
Don't sell OR ship anything overseas...ESpecially not Turkey, for some reason, its got the most scam buyers I've heard.
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# Diamondillusionsandg emsDawn 2012-10-24 08:10
THIS JUST HAPPENED TO ME!!!! This buyer from Russia purchased a 14kt gold Moissanite ring from me, and claims he never got it!!! Paypal sided with the buyer of course. This has totally put me out of business! I have sold on ebay and bought since 2001, with 100% feedback. here is the buyers information.. I wish I knew someone in Russia so that they could help me track this criminal down! I've reported this to the US postal Office as a mail fraud. I don't know what else to do! DO NOT SELL TO RUSSIA!! IF YOU HAVE TO SELL SEND IT REGISTERED MAIL WITH SIGNATURE.
Here is the information for this jerk... if anyone is in Russia and can help me.. please contact me.

Shipping Address: Buyers ID on ebay..krot-georg
Georg Panassenko
Dzerjinskogo st.201 - 29
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# RE: Diamondillusionsandg emsDawn 2012-10-24 08:22
I forgot to mention.. I sent the item out priority international.
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# RE: RE: Diamondillusionsandg emsDavid Ramsey 2012-10-24 08:37
I kinda wonder why anyone would ever ship to a country like Russia? So many eBay sellers only sell in the U.S. THere's a reason for this...
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# VictimPamm 2012-11-23 20:30
Exactly What Happened To me, Stopped at Jamaica NY, The Tracking Number is USELESS!! Ebay Knew This Buyer was a Scam artist they told me the buyer had a Strike already but they allowed the buyer to purchase the product from me anyway! I am out of $500 so just be thankful that you only lost $39, which any loss is too much. My Buyer had purchased 3 Iphones in 5 Weeks & Filed Claims on all of them Saying he didn't get them, & ebay is allowing this buyer to continue to Purchase, Ebay is not there For The Sellers, I am Been Selling for 12 Years, This Buyer had only had an account for 6 months, Sided with Buyer & I am out of alot of money & a Iphone... Ebay Is Too Big There is nothing us Sellers Can Do :(
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# former honest ebay sellerricardo gonzalez 2012-05-14 20:59
tire of cheated by ebay buyers now am going to play the
other side I want to see how much free staff I can get from
unsuspecting sellers
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# RE: former honest ebay sellerOlin Coles 2012-05-14 21:10
I would rather not be THAT kind of person, especially since you would just be hurting sellers... not the criminal buyers you're about to join.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalricardo gonzalez 2012-05-19 08:20
yeah, but gotta get it before all the sellers just leave .. :-(
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalPhilip Cohen 2012-07-10 14:34
And, just for fun, a summary of the current eBay/eDropOff shill bidding wire fraud matter ...

?Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay: Case Study #5?

eBay / PayPal / Donahoe: Dead Men Walking
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# Paypal against SellersKaye Mims 2012-07-21 09:59
I have made myself sick over being treated like a liar and a cheat by a dishonest Ebay buyer from Skokie,Il. I sold a brand new Chanel Handbag in the Box, to a woman who immediately claimed it had a smudge and did not fit the describtion. Ebay sided with her and it was like they never looked at the dated pictures that were taken before it was mailed. They put a $875.00 hold on my credit card and demanded I refund her the money. She sent them a made up picture where she put a smudge on the purse which I was never allowed to even see. She was refunded the $875 and she NEVER returned the purse. The $875 was the reserve price, the actually cost was $1275. I was scammed over $2000.00 and ebay didn't even give her a bad mark. I will never buy are sell anything from them again! They only talk and don't care as long as they get their cut.
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# UK Con Sellersjimbo 2012-07-21 14:45
I am almost to the brink of quiting as a buyer!I live in the UK and just recently started using ebay 2 +months just buying stuff.Well lets just say royal mail delivery only reaches me 1 in 4 times, if to say i believe the sellers sell the goods to me. Timely manner to receive the goods 5+ days. I do know the post man personally over the years and one thing that works 100% is recorded/tracked delivery.
Suffice to say when the delivery rate drops to less than 75% (as currently it stands)i will just abandon ebay - Full stop!
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# It's still happening!canuckjim 2012-07-27 18:31
Excellent article. I had a totally unsatisfactory experience with eBay and PayPal in June 2012. I sold some Indian banknotes (as collector's items) to an eBay buyer in India, with only 20 or so transactions on his record. I had to open a case against him just to get him to pay, and then he refused to pay the extra S&H for registered mail, even though I advised him it would be unwise to have them sent by ordinary airmail. Sure enough, he claimed he never got the envelope, and I had no tracking number because Canada Post doesn't give you a tracking number for non-registered items. I told this to eBay but they said "no tracking number, we take the buyer's word for it". Again, all automated responses and no consideration of my position except for a phone call to a person at eBay's so-called resolution centre, who said ... see above. Not only that, they debited my PayPal account for the refund to the buyer of not only the sale price but the S&H charge too! Now they're announcing "enhanced seller protection" to start in the fall. Too late in my case and I won't be selling anything on eBay ever again. Also won't be using PayPal, which pretty much moves in lockstep with eBay, and why not since they have joint ownership (apparently).
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# Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay AuctionsPhilip Cohen 2012-07-27 18:54
And, just for fun, an updated summary the eBay / eDropOff / commercial shill bidding ring matter:

?Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay Auctions: Case Study #5?

Should be well worth keeping track of, this demonstration of the utter corruption and deviousness of eBay and its auction system ...

eBay / PayPal / Donahoe: Dead Men Walking
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# Was stupid, now what?!PTucker 2012-08-05 22:23
After reading all of these other experiences, I am so embarrassed by my stupidity, but I sold on Ebay an iphone3 to Russia and of course, he never received it even though he gave specific instructions on how to mail it. My question is: should I just give up and issue a refund? Will Paypal take it out of my bank account since I have a zero balance? Thanks for any comments.
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# paypal fraudSteven Papanu 2012-08-06 09:53
Dear PTucker,
Talk to your bank. Alert them. Deny Paypal request. Most banks will take good care of their account holders
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# Scared to Sell on EbaySW 2012-08-06 12:58
I have been selling on ebay for YEARS! I have never had so many "item not as described" complaints as I am getting now. (In the past I had gotten just two in almost 10 years, and they were definitely mistakes I had made) But lately, about 25% or more of my sales have been deemed as such. Buyers ask for discounts once they have the product, or ask to send it back at my expense, wanting a FULL refund. Of course, they know that is not worth the time and extra money for me, so I end up letting them keep the item and refunding their money. I am n ow afraid to sell anything on ebay that costs a lot to ship and/or is worth anything over $20. I keep telling my husband, "I would LOVE to sell this on ebay, but..." And I certainly don't want to sell anything overseas. However, I indicate that I don't ship overseas, don't offer any international shipping choices and STILL get overseas bids. I tried stating in my listings that overseas buyers are not allowed to bid, but apparently, ebay does not allow sellers to indicate in their listings that certain buyers cannot bid, as ebay told me to remove the statement before I could list my item. Guess I will just yardsale all my ebay inventory and take a big loss.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalKS 2012-08-06 19:34
Ebay is cheat. they force you to get paid by paypal and although you have seller protection, if buyer says i never recieved it ebay charges you selling fees, reimbursement fee and paypal charges + the item you lost

Its #. dont use it any more. they are fraud.. ebay and paypal is a big fraud.
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# scared to sellJenny Faline 2014-01-10 22:41
If you do not want to get international people bidding on you merchandise, then go to you preferences table and make sure you have that info noted. That happened to me before I learned about the preferences. I had people from all over the globe bidding and winning the bids even though I said I do not ship internationally. So, just change your preferences and that will work and keep global countries from bidding on your stuff.
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# InternationalTerry Henderson 2014-01-11 00:35
A lot of sellers say that it is a bad idea to block international bidders. They claim that you can sell items for double or triple what you would get just selling to the United States, which more than makes up for any losses incurred by scams. Just food for thought.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalcanuckjim 2012-08-07 06:36
Steve Papanu advises someone who's been cheated to talk to his bank. But your bank can't do anything when you're using PayPal as your bank for eBay transactions. eBay tells PayPal to give them (eBay) the money they refunded to the scammer, and PayPal does as its told, without question and without giving the seller any chance to intervene. You find your PayPal account cleaned out or overdrawn, and all you can do is bring your PayPal account to a zero balance and then close it!

By the way, if you close a PayPal account that has a credit balance -- money PayPal owes you -- they won't send it to you if it's a relatively small amount. Instead (they say) they'll donate YOUR money to an "internationally recognized charity".
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# Question:PTucker 2012-08-08 17:39
The guy in Russia wants me to post a receipt from the Post Office, which I have. Should I do that? I have scanned it into PDF format, but I don't know how to post that on the site or should I just email it to him? Also, the email address he listed for the sale is different from the one he is giving me now. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks!
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# diamondillusionsandg ems..Dawn 2012-10-24 08:28
This guy in Russia did the same to me.. it isn't ID buyer Panassenko Georg address...Georg Panassenko
Dzerjinskogo st.201 - 29
Buyer's ID:
Buyer's Email:
[email protected] .com

Please get back to me on this!
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# Long time eBay buyerBron357 2012-08-14 19:03
Hi, I've been buying on eBay nearly 10 years. I use PayPal to pay. I am an international buyer for most sellers. That said, because of my over 800 purchase feedback, eBay sellers like me and let me bid on and buy their items. But I only deal these days with established sellers because as a buyer I too have been scammed. I've received tracked and signed for "empty boxes" . I think that eBay is great and Paypal a quick and safe way for me to pay. But I'm no scammer, cheat or thief. I just wish that eBay could be the great, fair and safe marketplace for everyone that it should be. I think all buyers and sellers should go through a strict ID process. I think all buyers should have to pay for tracked, signed for and insured mail and I think sellers should again be able to leave negative comments for buyers. I think that every buyer and seller account so show how many disputes they have made and how they ended. I think PayPal should positively verify every user and their bank accounts and credit cards to stop fake details and underage users and I think PayPal should disclose to a seller when the buyer has used a credit card (because of chargebacks that can happen months later). If all the fakers and scammers could be kept away, all the real buyers and sellers could have a good, happy and safe buying or selling experience.
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# It's all in the name!Tony Iacino 2012-08-18 10:08
John Donahoe is a Ho and nothing more!
I've been selling online before ebay came and I'll be seeing online after ebay goes!
I have, over the years, been both impressed and discouraged in the way that ebay has developed...the number of shoppers it attracts is nothing short of incredible! While the lengths to which ebay will go to make itself rich on the backs of those of us that bring this horde of buyers the products that attract them here in the first place...make me sick!
At some point (exaggerated for effect LOL!) ebay will wake up and find itself with a store full of buyers, with nothing to sell them!
Unfortunately, at the moment, there is no valid alternative to ebay, but there will be, and when there is, there will be no more ebay!
My family and I run this business, to fill the financial void created by my "re-classing" income reductions and my wife's "downsizing" loss of employment...we work all month, place and receive 1 - 3 deliveries, list hundreds of items, make hundreds of sales, package and ship hundreds of products, bust our asses to comply with ebays ludicrous "Top Seller" requirements...all so we can hope that some buyer (that has no idea that ebay charges us an 11% final value fee on the actual shipping costs we charge our customers!) doesn't rate us with a less than 3 stars on any category (shipping costs in particular) so that we can get a 20% final value fee credit making up the lions share of our less than 3% profit margin with ebay runs off 20 cents per listing, $20 per month for the store, 11% of the total take, ancillary fees plus for features plus what they make on the PayPal side (2.9% + 30 cents per transaction!).
I would gladly give them what I make on the sales in exchange for 1/2 of what they make off of us!

It's just crazy!

Are you a ebuyer and want to know more?

Or someone with a suggestion of where else to do business?

Or someone that is looking to form a group to build a better "ebay"?

PLEASE reply to this post...let's talk!

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# EBAY HelpSean 2012-09-19 21:33
I recently Sold Many Things on Ebay lets Say about $2000 worth of Stuff. I had a Fire and I dont have Money to refund people and the product was damaged. what am I supposed to do? I dont want to go to jail because i cant replace Items or refund Money and I dont have that bank acct anymore that was linked or the credit card. what will happen to me? I am just scared. wasnt my intention for this to happen. didnt expect a Fire what will happen to me. will I be in trouble? thanks Sean
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# EBAY Help - SeanMarco 2012-12-14 07:26
Hey - whatever happened to you? I'm especially interested in hearing about people who OWE Paypal money; as in people who are scammed and then don't have themoney in their accounts to reimburse PayPal when the chargeback comes in or in your case you don't ship and thus lose your case against your sellers. Any heat from PayPal??
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# Paypal not your PalAndrew McAlisterAndrew James Mcalister 2012-08-24 16:17
I had similar issues with paypal not reading case or accepting evidence
I stopped using paypal and ebay for over a year now. Used VISA for about $6000 of payments. Buyer sold new mobile phone with several faults, I thought it was fake, but realised it was probably a previously returned item. Paypal make automatic decisions without regard to fairness. The seller was a big seller in China and they didn't want to upset him I think.
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# eBay Sucksruss 2012-09-01 02:25
I was a former employee of eBay and I resigned because I can no longer take their policies. Sellers get scammed from certain countries such as Nigeria, Russia, Brazil, Algeria and other countries, and eBay will just tell you to report to authorities if sellers feel they were scammed because they won't be able to track your package in foreign countries. If the buyer claims he or she did not receive the item, and protected by PayPal (w/c is acquired by eBay), you lose! Your PayPal account will be put on hold (or overdrawn), your eBay will be suspended, and if you have balance in your PayPal account, say goodbye to your money.

For Buyers: There are really items that are not shipped to buyers, and if the buyer paid the item using a credit card (you are not covered by Buyer Protection), don't expect to get a refund from eBay, at all. /they will just inform you to contact your buyer or report to the Authorities.

These comments I read are just a few cases I handled and read during my employment in eBay, and I really hate it every time I think I worked there. eBay claims the tag line "safe market place to buy and sell", but who believes that? They don't know how to protect small entrepreneurs and shoppers who would want to have a great transactions in buying and selling experience online.
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# ebay scamsjames 2012-09-04 07:09
i am a seller and buyer on ebay i get scammed alot as a seller people bid on your stuff then don't want to pay and thats buyer fraud and ebay allows it they just give the buyer a mark on their record and thats it they should just take the money out of their paypal account and give it to the honest seller like they do to the seller.
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# UnrealJennifer 2012-09-08 19:24
eBay is so different than it was 10+ years ago. Now they have seller limits...10 items per month, like are they serious?? Now they take so much money every angle they can. Pay pal as well. Then if there is a way to scam the better believe 1000 buyers have successfully attempted it. I found that out recently in a separate issue where our house burned down....a crisp frame was left. Someone took the electric meter off the house. I received a bill for 300.00 from that address....I stated to customer support and could we use 300.00 in electricity when you people came and shut the electricity connection from the home??? House burned down June 5th...electric bill was from new month in July/august. Funny how it's still in dispute. Someone actually stole the meter and hooked it up to their home. Unreal. Sometimes ya just gotta say WHAT THE F-
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# unbelievable!Lisa 2012-09-17 03:52
I am shocked that this company are getting away with all these things! Ebay bought paypal out years ago, and since then, they have clearly decided they run the world. In such a financial crisis, how are they getting away with being one of the top causes of small business failures? Protecting scammers and ruining honest people? Stealing money from peoples 'frozen' accounts for 6 months to make money on the interest? Yes, paypal and Ebay are certainly big, but they are not bigger than the amount of people they have screwed over. Its only a matter of time before we see them fall.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalAEIOU 2012-09-21 13:03
There is a new way to scam seller on eBay and paypal..

Just go to your credit card company and do a "CHARGEBACK"

Read paypal"CHARGEBACK" terms :)

Paypal cannot control the "CHARGEBACK" by the credit card company...

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# wrong attitudeb w h 2012-09-21 23:32
The last comment suggesting that sellers should be cheated by a Chargeback action, is not in the interest of Buyer or seller. What we desperately need is honest trading on both sides.
Wether using a Chargeback for honest use would work is doubtful, as Ebay/Paypal are legally registered as a Bank, banks help each other and the bank being asked to make a Chargeback will probably introduce a significant delay in the transaction so as to give Paypal time to take the cash.
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# NonsensePhilip Cohen 2012-09-22 03:19
You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about ?

PreyPal is NOT registered as a bank; it is a faux bank; in fact it is licensed usually only as a "money transmitter" (like Western Union); and it operates the majority of its business as a "merchant of sorts" via a credit card merchant account with Wells Fargo Bank ... PreyPal is simply another "merchant" as far as the real banks are concerned and any credit card charge back will be professionally mediated by Visa/MasterCard, not by PreyPal ...

And, the reality of the clunky PayPal, et al ...
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# no argumentb w h 2012-09-22 04:22
OK if you say I do not know what I am talking about. Then maybe I am wrong, I am not so arrogant as to argue your point, but I will say that some three years ago, all Ebay customers were informed that Ebay was registered as a bank in Luxembourg. As ebay is now also Paypal, I had assumed that the parent company and Paypal are together a registered bank.
If you can explain that I would be interested to understand the new situation, kind regards.
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# correction . Paypal was registered as a bankb w h 2012-09-22 05:06
Correction to my statement, should show Paypal as being registered as a bank, not Ebay. Sorry for this memory error
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# RE: correction . Paypal was registered as a bankPhilip Cohen 2012-09-22 15:07
Yes, PreyPal is registered as a "bank" in Luxembourg. It's registered address is supposedly a serviced office rented for $10/week, or thereabouts; a meaningless sham as regards the licensing and prudential regulation of real retail "banking" in the rest of the civilized world and I imagine PreyPal?s standing in the eyes of other licensed and prudentially regulated financial institutions ... ?Luxembourg?, that?s where all the tax avoiders and others of dubious character have their registered offices. This ?registration? as a bank in Luxembourg has little meaning and is simply one more demonstration of the unscrupulousness of the eBay group of companies. ?

And, the reality of the clunky PayPal, et al ...
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# no argument further pointb w h 2012-09-22 04:50
Have just found a clarification of Paypal bank status.
In Europe Paypal is registered as a bank
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# bobBob 2012-09-24 20:45
What paypal is registered as in Europe is irrelevant as paypal and ebay are an American company located in the United states so they are governed by American laws. They may be labled as a financial type of institution but are in no way shape or form an actual bank.
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# AGREE!!!! GOOD JOB!friendfrompaypal 2012-10-10 01:01
Different Countries/regions have different regulations. Not all that is applicable in the US is applicable as well in Canada (like debit or bank cards added to the system as funding source).. same goes for european countries and the rest of the world :)
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# Where are us sellers todayKaren 2012-09-27 19:56

I have enjoyed reading all the blogs above, I have been a full time seller with eBay for 10 plus years and very RARELY buy on eBay. About 2 years ago I began teaching eBay as an education spe#t and also am a registered ebay drop off location. I am telling you all this so you know how DEEPLY entrenched I am in ebay as a seller. I have sold well over 15,000 items.
Here's the NEW DEAL
International: Establish a risk factor that you are willing to part with for First Class International Mail. Otherwise, use EXPRESS MAIL INSURED with signature confirmation. MAKE THE BUYER pay for all of this by adding extra weight to your listings.
NEXT: do not sell to RUSSIA, and I limit Brazil, UK, and a few other countries that I have had too many items not received cases.
IN YOUR LISTINGS: use the WORDS AS IS, show all damage in pictures and in words. I never use the WORD PERFECT.
I never put any measurements on clothing, this RESOLVES the Item not as described claims. Tell them to go to the manufacturers site for that.

GET SIGNATURES on anything that you do not want to part with financially, make the buyer pay for that too.

I too have left eBay several times, have been treated like a crook by paypal, and had ENDLESS feedback that I am out to CHEAT some harmless person for there $20, even though I have endless feedback as a great seller. i know how disarming it can be to lose a case, and I am a mother of 6 and support my entire family in whole......but it STILL BEATS WORKING FOR any other company in the world......I give eBay that credit.

Good luck to all of you..........and watch out for a Brick in the Box return:)
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# RE: Where are us sellers todayDumpsey 2012-10-01 06:18
I have had similar situations occur, after many years of selling on ebay, but always just ate the costs because the items sold for a small amount of money.

I have always stuck with ebay no matter what adverse treatment to the sellers, but for me the straw that broke the camels back was when I realized ebay was charging me 9% on shipping fees.

I had a dresser I sold for 75.00, and the shipping to get it across the country UPS Freight was 290.00. The shipping fee was the exact cost, I wasn't making a profit on shipping.

For years I had been selling small items and offering free shipping, so I didn't realize ebay was charging 9% on shipping, until I listed a large dresser, made the sale, and looked at my ebay invoice after the sale.

I was being charged 26.01 for the shipping charges, plus 6.75 on the actual sale. Ebay was making 32.76 on my sale. Almost half of my profit!

For me that was the final insult. I closed my ebay store which had several hundred small items that I handcraft myself. I refuse to pay ebay for a store. I now only list my 50 free items per month.

I have found a new auction site to list on. What I am wondering is now that I am no longer offering my handcrafted items on ebay, is it acceptable for me to contact all my previous buyers through the email addresses provided to me by Paypal giving them the link to my new store?

Another ebay seller who sells website templates contacted me in this way a few years ago. She still sells on ebay as well.

I still want to keep my ebay account and do not want to risk losing it, even though I have greatly decreased my ebay sells. The items I would be alerting my old buyers about are not available by me on ebay, so I am not sure they fall into the selling outside of ebay policy.
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# online storeReza Taba 2012-10-14 14:18
Hi dear.
Thanks for sharing this useful information. Do you mind if you tell me the name of the other online store that you're selling on it?
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPaladam 2012-10-01 01:37
Eventually a scammer is going to do this to the wrong person and wind up in the hospital or worse. If that happens enough time they'll stop doing it.
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# I've been scammed so many timesHannah 2012-10-03 05:11
I think ever since ebay removed the option of leaving a buyer a negative feedback I've had nothing but problems with scam artists. Buyers making up things that don't exist so they can get their money back. Ebay do not care and just give them their money back. I've had so many item not received claims as a seller on ebay (considering anything I have sent to buyers on other websites have ALL arrived) and when I try to make a claim from the royal mail I don't get any compensation as the buyer doesn't back up the claim. I've had enough of the site, its riddled with scammers and bad buyers! and the worse thing is, ebay lets it happen! ebay supports scammers at the expense of honest hardworking, small business sellers!! I've had 2 item not received cases in the last 2 days already out of only 35 sales this month! ridiculous!
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# How to get around thatJ 2012-10-04 02:56
I have been selling on ebay and turned it into a career for the last 8 months now and have become a top rated power-seller. What I can say to your story is and this has worked for me countless times: get your hands dirty and do the research that you need to do and call the post office and find out about your package because 9 times out of 10 your local post master and drivers would remember delivering an opened package or a package that is ripped or torn open. Then have your buyer send you a picture of the package and you let the post master ask the driver if they remember such thing or such an item found in the bin and redelivered. Also use a TON of tape enough that when they said it's open you know they are lying unless it was taken with a knife and actually opened I am a tape nazi I tape every inch of every package and nothing is getting out trust me. These are the steps I would take if something like this happened to me and if your track record shows good consistent preventive measures like these ebay will tend to side with you and I have had it happen to me before I had a guy in Italy refuse insurance and tried to do everything he could to get me to ship his watches for free after he bid and won and said if I didn't do the things he wanted he wasn't going to pay so I worked with him and then 5 days before he could file a claim he said a watch was over wound which I knew to be false if he said broken it would have been his fault for refusing insurance and so he said over wound but I said I will see what ebay says next day he says the other one is broken too. I told him it's impossible and that ebay told me to tell you there is nothing I can do and I never heard from him again. Sometimes you have to have cahones and challenge these buyers or they will take advantage of you because most sellers dont want the headache and they just give them their refund because they are to busy. Sellers know this and if you try to help them and explain you just can't help them then they usually say it's ok thanks for your time. Well hope I shined some light to anyone with my trade secrets. Good luck!

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# how to get aroundbobby 2012-10-05 13:13
Partner you have not heard from him YET!!!!!!! that's where you are going to be in for a surprise, ebay and paypal can use whatever time frame they choose to do a reverse refund. Seen it many many many times on items that where sold to a buyer 2 years prior and after it was all said and done the buyer got a call from paypal 1 year later asking the seller to refund the shipping fee.

So J, you either give them your stuff for free to satisfy them or be prepared for a charge back much much further down the road.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalchris booth 2012-10-04 07:28
new twist to this now ebay insists you have to acept returnes

i sold and expensive itemfor £500 the buyer said it did not work . i told them to send it backbut they wanted a full refund before they would agree . they then opened a case and ebay told them to return it to me for a refund

the problem is once a case is opened ebay refund as soon as proof of delivery is shown and in this casew the item was very badly packed and smashed to pices

i tried to put in a clame with interlink only to be told by them that i am not there customer but they have sent claim formes to the buyer

i find it unbleavable that ebay can give the buyer his mony back and he does not have to clame on the insurence on my behalf or worse gets to keep that mony too

yes i have apealed the case against me was told to send picturs , got confirmation email only to have the apeal refused because i did not send picturs
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalbobby 2012-10-05 13:04
I know because as a consultant to 5 Big PowerSellers who are not big enough to have any clout with ebay/paypal when dealing with SCAMMY buyers, no matter what you do as a seller even with proof of your claim falling to your favor the SCAM BUYER WINS EVERYTIME

Also to many returns or open cases (3) to be exact, or 3 natural/neg feedbacks puts the fee's at 22% to 33% and your search ranking gets polled to zero meaning KNOW ONE WILL FIND YOUR ITEMS.

Go LOCAL craigslist, backpack or go EBID.NET with them they will import all your positive ebay feedback kill all the neg. and you can ACCEPT any payment you want including charging whatever for shipping. They do no let automatic neg. post it takes weeks of review and they still may not allow the neg. feedback. $55 makes you a lifetime member with no fees.

My clients are doing well there and we keep all the ebay crappy sales to 20 items per month where as before we where posted 900 items per month.

Hope this HELPS - Screw ebay now they hold you money for 21 DAYS! while you ship and pays fee's before ever getting
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# RE: RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalbobby 2012-10-05 13:06
Correction: - - EBID.NET
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# Completely AgreeTyler 2012-10-09 14:52
I've been selling on eBay for over 10 years, and only since the Buyer Protection came into effect have I been scammed. I couldn't agree with you more, and the case you described is exactly what happened to me. Also, the buyer is suddenly "no longer registered", and yet eBay will do nothing.

Now I just sold an Apple laptop, and am now paranoid the same thing will happen. There is nothing I can do to protect myself if the buyer decides to claim he received an "empty box"... I'm tempted to cancel the transaction and just list it on Craigslist. I think I'll just stick with inexpensive items for eBay...
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# Selling Inexpensive ItemsSherine 2012-10-09 16:44
I totally agree with Tyler. I am mostly just selling inexpensive things on ebay, and only light weight things that don't cost an arm and a leg to ship. I have gotten stuck with too many shipping costs for "items not as described" I never had these issues until the past year. I too have been selling on ebay for 10 years, and have 100% positive feedback, but the scam artists have me shying away from selling much on ebay these days. I sell A LOT more in craigslist than I do on ebay. I used to just sell the large items on craigslist, but now I sell just about anything. If it doesn't sell on craigslist, then I will CONSIDER selling it on ebay, or just send it to our local auction. It's better to get pennies on the dollar for my items than it is to go through the hassle ebay has become.

Too bad for ebay...if others are only listing lower-priced and lighter weight items as I am, they have really messed themselves up profit-wise. Wish there was another sight that was more seller-friendly, and didn't require Paypal for payment. I would DEFINITELY switch!
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# JUST FOR ALLJUSTaFRIEND 2012-10-10 01:13
I know some would have not-so-pleasant experiences with PAYPAL and EBAY. But running through all the posts here and the problems linked to them made me realize one thing. WE SHOULD LEARN TO READ AND FOLLOW USER AGREEMENTS.

The whines about fees, charges, dispute decisions, scammers pretending to be PayPal or eBay... ALL OF THESE COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF ONLY WE READ THE AGREEMENTS FOR EVERY SERVICE WE USE.

want to be protected as seller/buyer? Read the qualifications for a transaction to be covered for such.. if any criteria is missing (example confirmed address for shipping) then sellers deny the payment!

surprised with the fees? READ THE FEES SECTION on the USER AGREEMENT to know how much the FIXED percentages. pre-calculate what you are expecting to receive (less fees) then add the estimated fees to that amount and make it your listing price.

you are all intelligent people. Ican say that from your posts..

HOWEVER, sometimes, when we know a lot already and understand even the most complicated things.. that is when we overlooked the simplest of the MUST-DOs.

Im not speaking in behalf of Paypal or ebay. I dont get paid for this (I WISH! HAHAHAHA!)

Im speaking from experience. I learned the hard way too.. harder than what you think.. BUT! i still trust these companies fully because i tried other services/companies yet i still went back to where i should be.. WHY SETTLE FOR LESS IF YOU COULD BE WITH THE BEST?

oh and one more thing.. if you call PayPal/eBay's customer service, BE NICE> the NICER you are, the BETTER SERVICE you'll get. ;)

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# JUST FOR ALLYea Right 2012-10-13 12:58
Just a Friend, I find nothing but humor in what you said, you can kiss ebay/paypal butt and they will still stick you in the behind, I know personally because they did it to me on some BIG ticket items even after being nice, appreciative and giver of all the tracking info they asked for and what not and STILL THEY BURNED ME and to add insult to injury the gave the buyer MY ITEM and HIS MONEY back more then a year after the transaction even thou they could confirm thru UPS that he received it and that UPS sent out a claims inspector 3 times and the buyer refuse to meet with him at his place of business. and you guess it I GOT A NEG. FEEDBACK saying we never ship the item.

I use EBID.NET for all my ebay type auction stuff FLAT $49 fee to be a lifetime member and * * * * ZERO FEE'S * * * * and you can accept ANY PAYMENT you want plus they will EXPORT all your POSITIVE ONLY ebay feedback so you don't look like a rookie - try it for 90 days for less than $10 - Been selling on there for 4 years and I don't use ebay at ALL.

Then I use craigslist and for the other.
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# MALEKEITH BENNETT 2012-10-11 10:24
refuse to sell to a extreme buyer I reported him to ebay saying he had threatened me with bad feedback ,of course they did nothing,hepaid by paypal and i refunded within the hour telling him I would not take his money due to his rude atttitude ,he paid again via pay pal I refunded withi 20 minutes ,also he is a big seller on ebay and receives aprox 10 negative a a month ( theonestoppetshop } Ihave been chucked of ebay I have received 2 negs in seven years with ebay and one is from him he is still trading ebay does not listen .
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# I too got ripped offjennym 2012-10-14 21:17
Well I just sold an item on Ebay. My paypal says "pending" Seems I must first ship to seller, give tracking number, then my paypal deposited funds will be released. I used to sell and had my funds available when the seller paid. I do not like this new rule. I am cancelling and selling on Amazon from now on.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalKEITH BENNETT 2012-10-16 00:00
Ebay is a paid agent used by millions to advertise their items on the net and the Postage/shipping have nothing to do with them they are not supplying the goods .IMAGINE you put a item for sale add in your local paper who you pay a listing fee for the a add ,then they tell you if your item sells they insist the payment be made out to their bank and then deduct handling fees from your money, they would soon be investigated by the authorities for racketeering.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalKEITH BENNETT 2012-10-16 00:04
Ps must point out its the( the1stoppetshop )that gets at least 10 negs a month that ebay still allows to sell you can check it yourself on their feed back.
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# I had the opposite happen to meNicole 2012-10-17 09:24
I bought an iPad Blue Tooth Keyboard. It never arrived, the tracking shows it was lost in route. I contacted eBay & Paypal & it's been a year & I still have not received my $39.99 refunded! It's BS all around!

I did have an insident when I was the seller. When I listed the item I blocked international buyers, buyers with unpaid strikes ( mind you they only go back 30 days on the unpaid item(s) strike) & less then 1 feedback! Well, a Jennifer**** won two of my items. She had NO FEEDBACK!?!? It said Jennifer**** 00.0% !! well, she never paid for items. Two separate actions. So, I didn't get paid & eBay didn't even do what they asked me in my questions! I didn't want anyone w/o any feed back!
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# PayPal collects interest on your payment!!!Charles 2012-10-21 07:58
Pay-Pal & eBay are both crooks. PayPal actually enjoys collecting interest on your Held Payment.. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they have secret shoppers buying items for disputes. eBay has the option to make-up its own users I actually own Pro-Bid software. Its the same software eBay runs. John Doe can buy & dispute while Lady J can sell your same disputed item. If screwing you puts more $ in eBay & PayPal's pocket so be it...
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# The Criminal eBafia/PreyPal complexPhilip Cohen 2012-10-21 14:16
Whoopeeeeeeeeeee ?

Visa?s online digital wallet, ?, is now out of beta testing on and is generally available for online buyers in the US and Canada?and the rest of the world soon too, I hope. And MasterCard?s ?PayPass? digital wallet soon to follow.

I have no doubt that those online merchants in North America, that already have a merchant account with an FDIC-insured real bank, will now, very happily, start dumping the clunky PreyPal in favor of Visa?s professional offering.

PreyPal will no longer be able to power the bilge pumps that are keeping the leaking old scow eBay from finally slipping beneath the waves. Certainly, once Visa?s is available worldwide, PreyPal will be dead in the water?except for its effectively mandated use on the ever-atrophying eBay Marketplace ?

So, let?s then see how well the eBafia Don and his clunky Marketplace/PreyPal complex fare in the next year or so ?

Regardless, online buyers now have access to a professional online digital wallet: Visa?s ? at:

And, the reality of the clunky PayPal, et al ...

eBay / PayPal / Donahoe: Dead Men Walking
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# Ebay & Paypal.. hand in hand scam!Brent 2012-10-23 21:12
sadly.. I too have fell victim to both Ebay & Paypal scams... one thing you can always be sure of... Ebay & Paypla.. one in the same, will always come out of it without a loss... in fact, from my most recent experiences dealing on Ebay- and my last.. everybody involved; Ebay, Paypal & the shipping companies all made money, the only one who didn't was me!! My items, listed on my account with a 100% feedback rating & over 500 transactions, a verified Paypal account back with years of transaction and credit card info.. yet, when I sold a few items, Paypal elected to hold the payments to me for 21 days, yet insists I send the goods out promptly- they in effect hold my money to collect interest on no matter what you do- they say to provide tracking info, get feedback etc. etc. yet. I received positive feedbacks from people who bought these goods from me.. tracking info provided; clearly showing not only was it shipped, but it was received & accepted as good, and was further recorde as such through feedback- yet Paypal still would not release my money.. had hundreds of dollars sitting in their care, and no matter what, they would not release it clearly until the 21 days was up- period.. now thats a scam in itself! I even tried to contact their customer service in regards.. despite the little instant notice telling me that a rep would be in contact within 24-72hrs - surprise surprise.. I never ever did hear from them ..Ebay use to be a good place to buy & sell.. not anymore.. I look for any alternatives available- and there are many, and have since closed down both Ebay & Paypal accounts and will never use either again!
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# Freezing your accountssal 2012-10-24 12:07
Ebay will hopefully one day be overtaken by another site that returns the idea of ebay back to its roots.

I recently was lucky enough to sell a bunch of phone cases at a nice profit and made over 10k in a month. Someone at ebay/paypal didnt like it and asked for me to prove my identity and prove I owned the merchandise. I submitted everything they asked for and they still froze my paypal account with over $5000 left in it. I called in and luckily they removed the hold and I withdrew my money.

A few days later they shut down my auction saying I was selling counterfeit goods, even though I never said my items were original nor did they have any markings or logos to suggest I was selling an original item. Now some of my international buyers are claiming the item "never arrived" since ebay emails them telling the item was removed and they might have been ripped off.

My listing had over 13,000 views and 500+ followers. They want you to sell but not so much that you anger their larger accounts that they cut sweet deals to sell on their site.

Its hard to find a new selling avenues, but I've managed to find a few.

If myspace can become a second fiddle so will ebay, its just a matter of time.
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# Revenge is sweet!Axxe 2012-10-26 07:41
A guy who lives near me sold a cell phone recently. It was an expensive one and the buyer claimed the usual 'not received' and initiated a PayPal claim to get his money back. The seller is a cripple in a wheelchair. He doesn't have money to burn so he checked into this scammers other purchases...

Sure enough, the last 4 were all for phones and in 3 of them he had filed 'never received' claims. Mr wheelchair does no more than rustle up 4 large guys and drives 150 miles to the scammers house. The guy answers the door and near #s himself when confronted. He got his phone back PLUS money for 'inconvenience'.

One for the good guys. :0)
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalitsme 2012-10-31 12:58
Wow. I had no idea this much went on between sellers and PayPal/eBay. I have been with eBay since 2001 but have only made about 15 purchases. It has been awhile since my last one. I used to always pay by money order because it seemed safer(for buyer and seller). I have tried paying by PayPal twice before but I never keep a balance in my PayPal account, so when I purchase I would have to add money and the seller would have to wait until PayPal applied it to the account. The two sellers that happened to, waited without complaint but I don't want to have to buy with PayPal anymore. Are sellers still allowed to take money orders?
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# ebay/paypalBrent 2012-10-31 13:13
Ebay will only allow you as a seller to use their paypal scheme.. thats what pissed me off the most.. its one thing that you have to follow their scheme to sell.. and that they have figured out a way to capitalize off your efforts from every angle, but to corner the market event further and tell you that you have to provide them with a credit card and establish paypal, then they capitalize off you on that side too... enough! ..I buy and sell on Ebay, or should I rephrase that to say 'did'.. but with their latest rounds of antics, I am done!! I had first decided that i'd continue to use and buy off Ebay, but was most definately done with Paypal.. but after attempting to make a few Ebay purchases and to have the sellers inform me that they couldn't accept money orders and that payments had to be processed through Paypal, well that was it.. I withdrew my bids, cancelled the transactions and have closed both Paypal and Ebay accounts.. so far as I am concerned, they; like so many other companies that start off with a good idea and a great service, have lost sight of the initial idea.. instead of offering a service, they try to corner a market and hold everyone in a strangle hold.. they've become corrupted by their level of greed, and because of this, I am sure that in time they will suffer as their community reduces itself to being only super sized sellers and no buyers or interest in it as a place to buy or sell.. there are alternatives, and as more people leave the ebay/paypal scheme, I'm sure the competitors will grow stronger and in time, we will have a great world trading place once again.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalTracey 2012-11-01 22:39
Easy solution to all issues : if you dislike or hate ebay and paypal, then DONT repeat DONT use them....period! There is little point, if you have been burnt with no recourse or have utilised recourse but not had a fair outcome .. in going back for more. Its really that simple, these business are reliant on 'heavy money transactions' they make 'billions' each year and like all other business world wide who become big they do not nor will they spend vast amounts of money in working out the best way to 'REFUND' your money in a dispute. There are no ifs or buts about it!
If you are in Australia then try theyre 'australian owned' useable on ebay etc as they are a third party escrow/holders of monies etc but dont charge the fee's that paypal do nor do they deliberately try to rip its customers off.
Other than that, do what I have done for years 'make my own choices' based on fact and not procrastinate with trying to fix a wheel that is very very broken :( like paypal or ebay..
sorry but lets get real about the facts here..move on people :) and best of luck to all. Oh and for goodness sake DONT sell to Nigeria or Russia unless they have long term excellent feedback and havnt changed their ebay name 58 differing times in the your homework before buying or selling to anyone like I do then you 'dont have problems'..period!

cheers from once bitten once learnt!
Melbourne Australia the land of gorgeous women and down to earth people :))
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# Illogical decisions by eBayDeb 2012-11-02 15:22
I was selling one week accommodation in a holiday house. Had an interstate buyer, and they hadnt decided on their dates.

She claimed that I had not delivered the item. No matter how hard I appealed, and presented the logical facts that the items was intangible and required the buyers participation, I was still found at fault.

.. and my account was de-registered as I did not have paypal funds they could draw on and I refused to refund the amount. Once your account is suspended you cant get into your paypal history and I had many other purchasers that were alarmed that I was no longer registered on eBay, and some other transactions mid stream that I couldnt access or complete. (Luckily I was able to contact them privately)

Months later, I re-listed my holiday house on my partners eBay account (co owner but registered at different residence) and they suspended him for affilitation with de-registered member. Months later again, I used my daughters account and she was also de-registered...!!!!! Needless to say, no - one else would let me touch their accounts!

After this I let out my house permanently to save the grief.

What upset me about this whole event was that there was no rational behind it and yet they wouldnt listen to common sense.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalBrent 2012-11-02 15:33
Neither Paypal or Ebay care about 'justice' about right or wrong, the only thing they care about is their bottom line and how to suck the money out of anyone they can with the least resistance. ...the only 'justice' and peace of mind I get now, is like you I did not have any money in my paypal account, so I contacted the bank to inform them that Paypal was no longer authorized to be linked to my account.. Ebay sent the billing for the latest round of fees, which were to automatically be removed from the paypal account, but when they couldn't, they tried to contact me direct- needless to say, after the run around and games that they played with me, I was not willing to provide them with any way to collect.. they said they'd freeze my account; which they did, but all in all.. good riddance! had enough, had to draw the line somewhere.. revenge is a dish served best cold! ;-)
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# Nick DellortoNick Dellorto 2012-11-03 16:37
This is a horrible problem with eBay. That means I could buy something expensive and then say I never got it, get my money back, and the person would be out the product and have their account charged a bit.

However, good thing you still have the address of the person, so hopefully they live close by. >:)
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# The eBafiaPhilip Cohen 2012-11-12 18:54
And, the ugly reality for consumers dealing with the eBafia/PreyPal complex ...

?Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay: Case Study #5? ...

If anyone can explain why no regulatory aurthority appears interested in doing anything about this rampant wire fraud and its criminal facilitator, eBay, I would be interested in hearing such explanation ...
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# Is eBay paying any attentionCanuck Jim 2012-11-12 18:59
Since I posted my experience here some months ago I've been getting the later posts as they appear, and I've lost count of the number of ripoffs detailed in just this thread on just this site. (There are a number of other sites with similar threads.) What I can't figure out is why the Indian gangstas at eBay (and their henchmen at PayPal) don't seem to pay any attention to all the bad publicity. Is their rotten "buyer protection" SCAM hurting their business? I hope it is, but how can we know... Well, keep posting folks...
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# RE: Is eBay paying any attentionBrent 2012-11-12 19:17
oh, I'm pretty sure they are well aware of all they do, and all thats going on around them.. cold, calculated.. its a glory ride from here on in, they know the end is near, so they are raping whats left for all they can.. it still means millions in profit for them, and when you look back over the years at how much they've made, they're probably all ready to pack it in soon and go and spend & enjoy the millions they've ripped everyone off !
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# Comment Follow UpPam 2012-11-12 21:29
On the EBay Fees when I said Add it back into the price of item
Meaning whatever you profit you want out of your item add the fees
Into it in addition too. Either way your going to pay fees
But at least your almost guaranteed to sell your item on eBay, as
Far as the Comment I received regarding me Shipping a IPhone to
Another Country you said I was asking for it?' I've been Selling for
12 Years internationally I've never had this problem. 80% of my profits
Come from other countries. I researched the buyer before selling to them
They checked out, I should have made them pay for Express Mail on
A item that cost that much, express mail was like $70 for this
Transaction vs $18 first class int, however if I can't Insure it I will not
Ship Electronics Internationally ever again. I'm an
Experienced Seller but even that didn't help me in this
Case. eBay sided with buyer in the end they always will, maybe one
Day we will have rights too. But for now it's all about the buyers
So be careful Sellers, you never know who's going to scam you.
I had never sold iPhone on eBay before didnt know it was
Easy target for scammers until I got scammed. Thing is eBay had
Flagged the buyers account before they. Bought my phone
eBay said for suspicious activity but they allowed him to buy buy
Anyway, after 12 years of working hard on eBay I've lost all faith I'm Ebsy
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# PayPal Is Awful for SellersIRA 2012-11-13 11:30
I have dealt with a similar situation. I make custom clothes on Etsy. I tell the people how long it takes and when it will be done. I had a seller who opened a PayPal claim stating they never received their item the day I went to ship it. (Luckily, I get emails to my phone and got the email literally when I was about to drop it off at the post office). I immediately told the buyer that I was shipping the item that day, which I had already told them. They didn't respond. I told them they were breaking my return policy since no one else could buy the clothes, it was custom made for them. (Etsy lets you make your own policies) No response. I told PayPal the buyer refused to communicate with me and that it was a custom item. PayPal told me to wait to ship until they heard back or PayPal decided to decline their dispute claims. PayPal ended up siding with the buyer because I didn't send the item, which PayPal told me to do. When I brought this up and the fact that they broke my policies on Etsy, they said they were "protecting" me from being out the item and the money, which wouldn't have happened if they didn't refund the money. PayPal screws over sellers to the point where I feel like what is the point of using it. Luckily, Etsy opened their own line of payment and if this happens again, I am shutting of the PayPal option on my Etsy shop.
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# You mean "PreyPal" surely ...Philip Cohen 2012-11-13 16:34
My god, why would anyone offer PreyPal if another avenue was available?

And the ugly reality of the clunky PayPal, et al ...
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# Buy, but do not SELL on eBayGary in NYC 2012-11-13 15:28
eBay favors the buyer. Why? Because the buyer makes their business happen. Seller listing fees are nominal. Where eBay makes their money is from auction ending fees. If the seller doesn't get a buyer, eBay doesn't get any money.

I have known several people who have sold items on eBay, only to be burned by deceitful buyers. Some of the techniques buyers used:

* In the case of "buyer's remorse", create cosmetic damage on parts not shown in auction photos. Buyer claims "item not as described" and gets to return it for free. Seller is forced to give full refund, plus pay for buyer's return shipping.

* Broken item exchange -- buyer already has this item, but its non functional. They buy yours, then send the broken one back. You have NO RECOURSE.

* Missing part claimed -- buyer says a part is missing, and either extorts a discount from the seller, or sends the item back for a full refund.

* Counterfeit item exchange -- buyer gets designer brand item, then sends back a Chinese knockoff of the same color and design. Despite the seller providing photographs of both, eBay will still side with the buyer.

--> I would never, I repeat NEVER, sell an item on eBay that is known to be counterfeited. You are just asking for trouble.

--> If you sell a valuable item on eBay, have a "buyer approval" clause for buyers that do not have a feedback rating of 100% for at least 100 items.

--> If you plan to offer your item overseas, insist that the buyer contact you first on shipping costs BEFORE winning the auction. This way you can see their feedback rating.

--> If a buyer contacts you about and item and you don't trust them, BLOCK them from buying anything from you. I once contacted a seller about an item and I had a lot of questions about it. The seller was rude to me, and then I discovered they had blocked me from bidding on the item... and I couldn't bid on anything else of theirs either! So, that's a good tool for helping to keep out unwanted buyers.
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# The Other Side.Brandon 2012-11-13 19:28
I see your point completely, guys. I just wanted to let you know the other point of view. A year ago, I was not aware of this a buyer protection policy. I bought some speakers for $150 listed as new. I opened the package and found it was packed with random small pieces of cardboard. The speakers were broken and completely ruined. The guy deleted his account right after I bought them. They're still in my closet.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalrs 2012-11-14 19:37
Unfortunately, there are people who offer online advice on how to take advantage of the ebay/paypal system. We've encountered it enough times to make me tremble at the thought. Until a few years ago, ebay allowed sellers to give negative feedback to buyers. To a seller, feedback gives you enough information about a buyer to block them before they bid/buy an item. We once encountered one prick in particular who bought a low priced item "buy-it-now" (4.99)received the item and put in a complaint to get his money back. It didn't take long in a google search to find his "advice" in getting things for free. Buy low priced items that the seller isn't going to put a tracking number on, and put a claim that the item was never received. NO proof of shipping, no proof of receipt. We sent the link proving he was a scammer and of course, no one gives a crap! Sellers are evil, seems to be the common thought at Paypal. Then he leaves a negative. Negative feedback can ruin you. One negative can cut your sales by more than a half until you can get enough feedback to put it on the second page. We didn't recover until we got feedback on an item over $800. Suddenly people could trust us again. When you looked at his feedback, other sellers were leaving warnings against him. My husband and I rely on ebay sales to live. Every time these Scammers do their thing, it causes us to argue horribly. I don't want to believe in Hell, but when we encounter a scammer, I get that thought that I want them to go there.
For those of you that do have legitimate claims against a seller, keep in mind that we see a lot of Scammers, and we sometimes think we're smelling BS. That could be why they are so rude or harsh.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalHayley Morris 2012-11-16 02:49
I have no doubt that this buyer scammed you but lets look at it from the other side of the scale. I just spent £60 on a mouse which looks beautiful, it's all in one piece, but when I plug it into any machine there's no light on at home. It does nothing. I've told the seller I'm willing to send it back to him, he can give me a refund and then he can do what he wants with it, since he had it to review he didnt actually buy the thing, but he said "no refunds" he blames me or royal mail, I must have broken it when taking it out of the box apparently. I keep telling him I can record it not working in 1 pc with 10 ports and windows 7, 1 pc with vista and 2-4 ports, and a mac book pro. You would at least think the mac would pick it up, but no, it does nothing, even madcatz said it sounds like it's dead but they can't do anything.
He's dug his heels in, he doesn't care because he thinks the words "no refunds" covers him, but no, it does not. He sent me a faulty item and for all I know he knew it was faulty to begin with.
I'm really hoping ebay side with me and tell me where to send the mouse, otherwise my only other option is pay a further 10.99 for warrenty, wait out till day 45 then file a claim to get my mouse fixed or refunded. I'm sure square trade will love that but it really is my only other choice. I even told the seller I wouldnt give negative feedback. I have well over a thousand feedback now and like to give people the best customer service or respect everyone deserves. He has blatantly accused me of being a rogue buyer though so when this is all over they can have their negative feedback and shove it...
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalJulez 2012-11-17 08:57
After reading this all interest in selling items has gone out the window for me i think it is just not worth it from what i have read here.
Was looking around in My eBay and noticed a message eBay is changing it's policy and user agreements i don't usually read this kind of stuff (lazy and don't know much about the law) but this stood out to me, looks like eBay is trying to make it clear that if you get scammed it has nothing to do with them and it is your risk. I have never read the user agreement before so this may have always been there but gee it stands out after reading these comments.

3.eBay is not an Auctioneer.

3.1 Online Auctions. Although we are commonly referred to as an online auction web site, it is important to realise that we are not a traditional "auctioneer". Instead, our Site merely acts as an online venue to allow members to communicate and offer, sell, and buy just about anything, at anytime, from anywhere, in a variety of formats, including a fixed price format and an auction-style format commonly referred to as an "online auction". YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT EBAY IS NOT INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL TRANSACTION BETWEEN BUYERS AND SELLERS. AS A RESULT, EBAY HAS NO CONTROL OVER THE QUALITY, SAFETY OR LEGALITY OF ITEMS OR CONTENT POSTED BY MEMBERS ON OUR SITE, THE TRUTH OR ACCURACY OF LISTINGS, THE ABILITY OF SELLERS TO SELL ITEMS OR THE ABILITY OF BUYERS TO BUY ITEMS. WE CANNOT ENSURE AND DO NOT GUARANTEE THAT A MEMBER OR BROWSER OF OUR SITE WILL ACTUALLY COMPLETE A TRANSACTION OR ACT LAWFULLY IN USING OUR SITE.
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# PAYPAL WIN!Linda R 2012-11-19 12:48
I was scammed by a buyer on EBAY claiming my DKNY bag was a fake. Despite the fact I contacted DKNY head office and found the original receipt, Paypal refunded the buyer - a YUSUF GUYANI the full amount. I was livid. They didnt even listen to me, they were rude to me calling me a fraudster despite the fact that my job involves being CRB & FSA approved! I contacted The FINANCIAL OMBUDSMAN who agreed to take the case on by alerting paypal that they were monitiring their dealings with me. Incidentally when I asked for paypals complaint procedure they practically laughed citing their base in Luxemborg as a reason I had no recourse to compensation.
Well once OMBUDSMAN got involved and gace them 6 weeks to investigate I also sent a scathing letter with all my proof supporting my claim and bingo - my money was refunded to me straightaway! Plus each time the OMBUDSMAN investigate these bunch of crooks known as PAYPAL they have to pay the Financial Ombudsman £500! Get contacting people make them pay and let it hurt their pockets. Hope this helps

Linda x
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# RE: PAYPAL WIN!Julez 2012-11-20 07:29
Nice job the shafter got shafted, good to hear you got your money back ;) good information to those who are feeling a bit lost and don't know what to do.
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# My wife had to refund even after positive feedback recievedShane 2012-11-21 00:16
Here's a scam that caught my wife - she started selling some stuff on ebay. I've been selling on another account for a while. Seller requests different mailing address - says Paypal won't let them change the address - some bug in system. I've seen web searches say this is the case. In the ebay sellers comments you can see the address they request it be sent to. Additionally, positive feedback for item was received on ebay. I told my wife she shouldn't mail to non-confirmed address no matter what - but it was a $3 item, so she took the chance. Now I wonder if even shipping to confirmed address would've even mattered. Sounds like result would've been same - regardless of positive feedback received.

I'm here because I have a buyer whose user i.d. is private and they show up on the scammer list at If they pay I really don't know what to do. They apparently have history of claiming different item sent or wrong item sent, etc. They've also been bidding on a ton of book items. I've tried to email some of the people they've bought books from to see how the transaction went, but ebay will only let me email 3 or 4 sellers per day to try to find out more about the buyer. Worried I'm going to lose my item and no matter what I do I can't protect myself.
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# You Have to Have a Checking Account LinkedPamm 2012-11-23 20:06
Trust Me I tried to Do Just The Debit Card after I had trouble with a charge back after 12 years of being a loyal Seller, I finally got my Checking Account Closed But Wouldn't Let Me Delete Account by Going To Pay-pal Online, I Had to Call Pay-pal Finally With alot of Hassel! I got my Checking Account Deleted off Pay-pal, Added My Credit Card That Is Linked To My New Checking Account & It Wouldn't Let Me Purchase Anything Off E-bay! Said I had To Confirm My Account & The Only Way You Can Confirm Your Account Is By Linking A Checking Account To Your Pay-Pal Account! I went to pay for a $10 Item With My Credit Card That Is Linked To My Checking Account & I received this Message; You recently hit your PayPal sending limit and had your payment declined, but this is easy to fix. When you click on the Link They Said Only Way To Confirm & Lift Restriction off your account is to Add a Checking Account! Said It Was For Our Safety, but I know What they are Doing.... You would think the Credit card would be enough, but no they want our Checking Account Information!!! Once I Confirm who I am with my new checking account, I am going to Try & Delete it. If not I am Going to Open a Free Checking account just for this reason.
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# RE: You Have to Have a Checking Account LinkedPhilip Cohen 2012-11-23 21:25
Yes, PreyPal wants to have direct access the bank accounts of all users for a number of reasons: 1. It costs them less to direct debit a bank account than it does to pay the normal merchants? transaction fee to take it from a credit card account; 2. They have caused so much extra work for the credit card companies, with so many charge backs by dissatisfied buyers, that the credit card companies apparently have told PreyPal to ?shape up or ship out?; 3. particularly with respect to their hard wired and unscrupulous ?buyer protection?, they want access to sellers? bank accounts so that they more easily can snatch back any funds they arbitrarily decide to refund to any complaining buyer ?

Not even the major credit card companies demand direct access to their card users? banking accounts ?

(And an interesting case (from the UK I suspect) just above from ?Linda x? demonstrating the unscrupulousness of PreyPal and its clunky, hard-wired, buyer-biased transaction dispute mediation process (what mediation process?)) ?

That PreyPal should ?ship out? and sink to the bottom of the ocean (along with their ugly adoptive mother, eBafia) can?t happen to soon for me ?

Regardless, now that Visa?s ?professional? online digital wallet, ?, is available for general use in the US and Canada, (and MasterCard?s similar ?PayPass? product is not far away), except for its mandated use on the eBafia marketplace, PreyPal is effectively dead in the water ?
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# dog hair??Lisa 2012-11-25 17:32
The buyer of the sweater I sold on ebay messaged me that she found so much dog hair on the item she felt too gross to wear it. Dog hair!? Seriously, I had no idea what she was talking about. I have never got any complaints from the buyers so far because I'm very meticulous about items and packing. She demanded a full refund even though I explained I have never had any pets and I was also be able to prove it because my apartment doesn't allow any tenants to have pets. She kept insisting that's dog hair and she even threatened me she would use ebay to get a refund if I don't accept.

After I read this site, I realized this case got nowhere and guessed she would appeal to ebay buyer protection and let paypal take away my money. It's sad ebay never protects sellers and just let buyers do whatever they want! I didn't want to lose my item and money together, so I bitterly accepted a refund.

I believe she just didn't look good with the sweater when she received and tried it on. She knows how to take advantage of ebay protection program. Still resentful about her arrogant way to demand me a refund! Now I'm thinking about calling it quits..I feel it's a kind of risky to trade on ebay.
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# This is just the start; leave nowJohnnyC604 2012-11-25 19:18
I'm still in the process of a SNAD, but I did manage to get my bank to side with me on a stop payment when Paypal attempted to withdraw the transaction reversal funds. I have closed the bank accont, and calle GE Capital to close the Paypal Mastercard. Ebay and Paypal will not let me close their accounts while the SNAD is still in process, but at least now they will not be able to grab my money out of the bank account or charge the Mastercard. They told the buyer to send the item back, but I refused delivery when it got here using the reason that there was no RMA number on the box. I wonder what they will do now?

From all the research I have been doing it is abundantly clear that the scammers are taking over ebay. And not just the full time scammers either. With all the discussions all over the internet about how easy it is to get ripped off on ebay, it would seem that a lot of people who would be inclined to do this kind of stuff, but are not smart enough to figure it out on their own, are quickly getting a primer on how to do it and are moving in. I see ebay just started a new feature called 'Report a Buyer" in an apparent effort to start looking out for the scammers. Too little, too late. Ebay has become a happy hunting ground for scammers and petty thieves, and I would advise everyone to get out before you get burned.

I was on Ebay for 18 years, and have been selling for 5 years with a 100% feedback rating. I always figured it was just a matter of time before I got burned, and it has finally happened. What I did not expect was the total lack of support from Ebay. They evidently expect you to accept the losses as a cost of doing business on Ebay. My advice is to leave now. If you are selling there, you are a target and your turn will come very soon.
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# PAYPAL DOESN'T EVEN READ CLAIMSSteven S 2012-11-26 03:33
This is another hilarious example: buyer buys 3 goods from me (for 178 euro) and sends back 2 goods (for 66 euro).

Buyer files a claim and asks Paypal 66 euro back.

What did Paypal? They sent me a message with "After careful consideration" et blabla.. and GAVE THE BUYER 178 EURO BACK, whilst buyer only asked for 66 euro.

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# RE: PAYPAL DOESN'T EVEN READ CLAIMSPhilipCohen 2012-11-26 12:58
Unlike a transaction problem with a "professional" organisation such as Visa or MasterCard, at PreyPal and eBay such matters are ?hard wired? and ?resolved? with very simple computer algorithms: ?if buyer¬_complains then refund_purchase_pric e? ? It?s so simple; no human involvement is required; indeed, if human intervention was required, eBafia/PreyPal would need many tens of thousands more CS staff ...

Clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk ...

eBay / PayPal / Donahoe: Dead Men Walking
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# Small time fraudBilly B 2012-11-26 06:20
I've sold about 40 items on Amazon Marketplace and had my first bad experience a couple of weeks ago. I sold a new game (£20/$30) to someone who immediately flagged it up as "Incompatible" and requested a return. Got a badly used copy in the mail a few days later - not just a scuff on the disc which had been tested (which I would have accepted) but a clearly years-old copy of the game in bad state of age, of no value to anyone. I part-refunded the buyer £1 / $1.50 and reported him to the Police for fraud. God knows what will happen next, I'm guessing in a month the full original amount will be deducted from my account and I'll probably be charged with wasting police time. That experience alone almost completely put me off selling online, but the few transactions since have been fine. Except an idiot who gave me my first bad feedback for an item damaged in the post - even after I'd offered a full refund for return of the item
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# Former seller Former buyer.Carl 2012-11-26 12:44
Pay Pal and an e-bay seller screwed me out of $300. I purchased an auto part for $300. The seller sent the wrong item and in his description said that you had to e-mail him before you returned an item. I did and he never responded. I sent him another e-mail and said that if he did not reapond I'd be forced to file a claim. A week went by, no response, so I filed.

I waited and waited. Then I waited some more. A month went by with no notice from PP. I was cleaning out my spam messages when I found the response. I had a quirky spam filter that allowed some messages to go through but others to be sent to the spam filter in spite of me whitelisting them.

I had been receiving pay pal messages just fine but that one message was sent to spam. I read the message and it said that if I did not respond they would close the claim in X amount of time. The time was up and my case was closed.

Contacting pay pal is a joke. It's a system invented by sociopaths who use circle talk and corporate lawyer doublespeak. My $300 remains in the hands of a crook who was aided by a company that claims they answer all your inquiries.

Lesson learned. I switched e-mail providers. I also cut way the heck back on the things I purchase from e-bay only using them when necessary.

I also used to sell on e-bay and I thought the buyers had all the rights. I had been screwed by buyers several times on e-bay. My experience was that if I set a low opening bid that was where the auction ended at. Only once did I get more than expected and even that was less than I paid for the item. I also sold on e-bay motors and had bad luck there too.

Now if I was a Nigerian crook I could probably be a millionaire by now. It seems that bidders gladly hand their money over to them and e-bay does little about them. They could block that entire country if they wanted but they won't
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# Scammed yet again!kev 2012-11-28 10:30
I too was scammed by an Irish TW*T on ebay uk who goes under the name of gab.10......The unscrupulous moron bough a crossbow stock from me, removed essential part's then made a claim as snad...ebay sided with gab.10 but before they could snatch the money from my paypal account i managed to transfer it to my bank account. so when they did freeze the amount gab.10 payed the account was negative by the amount. gab.10 returned the stock (Minus the part's) and got his refund from ebay where i was told i would have to reimburse them...I emailed ebay saying that the item was returned in a different state and they basically told me to go F**K myself...Ok i said, let's see what a financial ombudsman has to say about it then shall we...After stating that fact they emailed me saying they would give me a courtisy payment and i would no longer have to reimburse they're doing me a favour! Both ebay and paypal should grow a pair and step up to the mark on fraudulant activities or be held responsible for letting these thing's happen...They get away with far too much,,,not to mention failing to pay their taxes on £80 million...if that was the average joe we'd be doing big time bird up the chokey!
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalJames 2012-11-29 10:38
Here is the solution--I've used it a few times.

Videotape yourself packing and taping the product in the box, CLEARLY showing the item being sealed, and show the address on the shipping label.

When the scammer opens the case, offer to do everything to resolve the issue with the most helpful attitude possible, MAKE THEM THINK THE WON.

Then request a day time telephone number from the scammer. I tell them I need the number so the Postal Inspector can reach them for their investigation. I then upload the video to Youtube and email the buyer/scammer a link, and upload and email the link to Ebay and Paypal.

I then file a complaint with USPS Postal inspector.

You will be amazed how quickly the "lost item is found".

In 14 cases like this, we are batting 100% in my favor.

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# Thank youReza Taba 2012-11-29 13:47
Man , Thank you for the solution. I will test it. It seems great :)
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# This is Great!Pamm 2012-11-30 07:16
James this is a Great Piece of Information I even Printed It Out, I have a Question, I did File A Complaint with the USPS However Their Response was they Can't The Package Once its Crossed into another Country, How did you handle that & In the cases that you won Did the Buyer Close The Cases Or Did the Post Office Find the Item? Thank you!!!
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# RE: This is Great!James 2012-12-01 07:29
Pamm, I have not shipped internationally, so I'm not sure.

I uploaded the video to You Tube and included the video link in the Pay Pal dispute. I then shared the link with the scammer buyer so they could see the item being packed.

It seems that just the threat of being investigated was enough for the scammer to "find the item".
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# Easy FixIan 2012-11-29 15:40
The best way to use Ebay is to never link your bank account and only accept checks via mail. Let the buyer know it will take 10 days to clear the check then items will be shipped. Take it or leave it.
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# Won't WorkPamm 2012-11-30 07:19
If your a Seller on Ebay, You Can Only Receive Payments Through Pay-Pal, they won't let you accept Checks anymore, if the word Accept Checks in Your Auction They Will Close Auction Down Immediately. If you Receive Money Through Pay-pal on a Item You Sold The Only Way you can Transfer that Money to your account to get it is by Linking a Checking Account, I just went through all of this, I wish there was another way. I've Been a Seller for 12 Years & Just Got Scammed Big Time by a Buyer Overseas..
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# CPFB ComplaintJohnnyC604 2012-11-30 07:37
This new Consumer Financial Protection Board was just started last year, and oversees institutions like Paypal. You can easily file a complaint on line if you feel their policies are leaving you exposed to fraudulent activities. It is worth a try. the url is:

I am hoping they will start getting deluged with Paypal complaints and maybe we can get some positive action. I have already won a complaint against Paypal when they withdrew funds from my banking account without my permission.
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# OwnerJorge Abreu 2012-12-01 18:28
Got kicked out by ebay a few years ago and they do not let me sell. Own a printing company and 2 guys in 9 years of me doing business with 100% feedback put a negative feedback. It was entirely their fault because they sent me the wrong files and ebay took their side, canceled my account for selling. Ofcourse I can still use another account or a friends account to sell but after a while their rates went up and its just a monopoly what they charge in fees. Once day there will be a lawsuit against this company in which they will have to close down. It is not right that everyone gets robbed the way they do with ebay and paypal.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalLou 2012-12-02 13:38
"...I knew the item was sealed and protected, expecting that in the worst case USPS might lose my package in the mail (which happens way too often), but then postal insurance would help cover it. Well, I was wrong. The worst that can happen is that the package actually reaches the buyer, nullifying any possible insurance claim, and then the buyer makes a complaint to eBay or PayPal..."

This happened to me, pretty much verbatim, 4 years ago. I sold an industrial item, NIB, worth $250, to a buyer with no feedback. He claimed the battery charger (included) wasn't included. He asked for a battery charger to be sent to him. The item was purchased wholesale, they don't sell the battery chargers separately, and it would have cost me $400 to buy a new set just for the battery charger, and then I would have been left with a useless set. So I asked him to send it back to me and I'd refund him. To make a long story short he was lying, I got him to admit it, in an email, but then he opened a dispute with Paypal. They froze my account. I escalated the dispute and sent in all documentation - the tracking number, all the emails between me and the scammer, photos, etc. After 6 weeks PayPal awarded the scammer a partial refund of $100 and change. I couldn't believe they were awarding him anything after all the proof I had sent them and discussed on the phone. So I escalated it again, phoning customer support with my proof. After a few more weeks they decided to award the scammer the FULL AMOUNT, PLUS SHIPPING AND FEES AND HE GOT TO KEEP THE PRODUCT! They debited my account but since I had already withdrawn the money it went into a negative balance and they have been demanding that balance ever since. I of course refused. They sent me to a credit agency and ruined my life for a few years, for $100 and change. The customer lived in the same city as me, in Canada, but what could I do. I have his address. Confronting him would get me arrested and Paypal and ebay have already caused me enough problems, I don't need to get arrested as well.

I have thought about getting back onto ebay using a different payment method, but since the whole world loves paypal, I realize it would probably not be worth the hassle even if it was possible. The alternatives - ProPay is not available in Canada, you can't integrate Skrill into your auctions, and you're not allowed to offer paper payments.

Continued below...
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# RE: RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalLou 2012-12-02 13:45
...Continued from above

Anyway, after reading the comments here and on numerous other sites I realize there is no way to protect yourself from scammers on ebay, so even without using PayPal, I would just get scammed again and there's nothing I could do to prevent it or recover the money/product after the fact.

That isn't the worst of it - PayPal is taking over electronic payments on the internet - it's not limited to eBay. I cannot use my PayPal account and refuse to clear the negative balance on my account. They refuse to lift the entry on my credit rating - I even said I would pay them if they would do so, but they refused to even admit they had screwed my credit rating.

And what's to stop them from doing this to me again, by protecting another scammer. So why should I settle with them. I intend never to use PayPal again, for anything.

Good luck to all who have been burned by Paypal.
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# I received the empty envelope yesterday?Maxi Claudio 2012-12-09 14:02
Well, I'm a long time buyer. I buy a lot of Gift cards on ebay, I usually save a tiny bit, earn ebay bucks. I'm careful to only buy from sellers with 100% feedback. I bought a $500 gift card to a department store. I got the tracking number USPS Priority mail. I checked on-line that it was delivered. What I got was an un tampered with USPS small Priority envelope. It felt light. Inside was a white envelope with my name folded but NOTHING else. I gave the seller the benefit of the doubt. Everyone at one time has rushed to mail a bill and forgot to put in the check.

Well the Seller has been slow in responding and insists it was in the envelope. I'm not sure what to do next. Seriously, this is my last ebay purchase. Is the scam that they have proof via the delivery confirmation that it was received? In the auction they had a picture of the card with just the top of the receipt. But now in retrospect, they didn't show where is shows the value. That was conveniently covered by the card. So it could have been any receipt.

I'm going to wait until tomorrow. I've sent 4 messages to the seller. Sent pictures of the envelopes. Do I contact my credit card company, Paypal, or ebay?
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# RE: I received the empty envelope yesterday?James 2012-12-09 15:16
Open a dispute with PayPal NOW
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# MrMaxi Claudio 2012-12-10 10:32
I could not open dispute with Paypal. Had to go through ebay. I responded about the gift card. How much do you want to bet they don't have the card number or receipt, and don't know how it was purchased? This just sucks!
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# OMG - All you have to do is KNOW the rulesMike 2012-12-12 04:09
Really, all you have to do is know the rules, better than the scammer. it's not that difficult. most scammers are dumbass punks or Morons that think they know what's up. They believe they are smarter than the seller and no can see them comming.
I made it a pointto know every scam available for the last 15 years, no scam can get by, i am not kidding. I have even thought of scams they have not tried.
there are loop holes but if the seller knows them, all of them. any scam can be avoided. The trick to the pay pal phone thing you all are describing is demanding to talk to a supervisor that knows the rules and can comprehend them in full. if you can describe your case perfectly to a person that knows and can comprhende the rules you will prevail. Many times people have tried to get over on me and they always fail, almost always it's some foriegner. here is the BIGGIE that almost no one does. If you think it smells fishy, take the item to the post office in person, buy a confirmation number, spend 1.00 more and get a CERTIFICATE of mailing and have the clerk sign it. this little know item can be scanned and sent to pay pal for undeniable proof YOU sent it. also - take a pic of the item in the box with the lable showing. REALLY! I am running out of characters here. there is more. I could write a book.
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# Sorry, you're uninformed...Marco 2012-12-14 08:06
ANYONE can be defeated on PayPal/eBay... you simply haven't yet. It has nothing to do with knowing the rules. Or little to do with. You can fall victim to the "not as described" scam and there's NOTHING YOU CAN DO. You will lose. Then get back a box of bricks or phone books. You can upload a youtube video and have the pope hand it to the buyer - you will lose. So silly; people like you thinking you're so clever and commenting from under a veil that is your computer - you're just on a cloud. Anyway, will the real PayPal scammers (that is, fed on PayPal) please stand up? SO silly - confirmation letter! Haha, that's so silly, ineffective, and ignorant. Sorry, I'm a blunt chap. 15 years no scam can get by me. Please post your ebay selling name and I will scam you by noon tea.
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# scamshonest seller scammed by paypal 2012-12-15 07:10
If you sell abroad by Express mail service and the buyer should have done but did not bother to do an import permit or a declaration to the customs of their country, or should pay import taxes, vat or inspection fees etc.. and they did not do it then the customs will resend you the EMS parcels and Paypal refund the buyer. Basically you never know if the buyer would refuse to pay taxes in his country, which means in these cases that Paypal will refund the buyer. Is not that a scam ?
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# eBay & PayPal are scammersManaal-Market 2012-12-12 23:26
Manaal-Market is my eBay user name and I just came across this article after removing all my items from eBay scam store. This above article have clearly told everything about eBay and PayPal, they are both the same licensed and legally thef, the simple solution is DON'T USE THEM! there are other legitimate sites like where you don't have to deal with these idiotic garbages from all over the world! today two different garbages have try to buy my unlocked iPhone 4s on eBay, I catch one of them 36 hours ago and reported, eBay haven't done nothing about it. the second garbage try today and kept asking for my paypal e-mail address 8 different times simply to use it for identity theft, eBay didn't do nothing about it as well, when fat, stupid and garbage people of the money then they make the law too, in order to go to their world, you need to be one of them. The other thing I catch on eBay is money loundaring, if you are a US buyer, you should never pay with Australian dollar for an item you are buying from Hong Kong! ebay let these kind of money loundaring scammers do business on its platform. I am glad I don't have to deal with these garbages any more!
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# How to SCAM PAYPAL? This is in the title...Marco 2012-12-14 07:59
"...Scam Paypal" THIS is why I found this thread which is pretty fantastic. Lots of people complaining and I FEEL but I want to know how to SCAM PAYPAL. I don't want to scam others but only Paypal.... since they scammed me. I'm not necessarily a vengeful person but I took it very personally when I sold to a kid in Puerto Rico and he filed a "not as described" claim and prevailed. Anyway, I HAVE found a way to scam paypal. It's a brilliant... scam. But, I'm investigating the recourse. Specifically, for when you have a super negative balance (20K). I can't find ANY info anywhere on this. If you do something (say sell to yourself or a cohort) and then have the cohort file a chargeback (aha! this is what caused PayPal's downfall!) but immediately remove any money from your bank account, does Paypal ONLY pursue you through collections for having a - balance?? That is awesome (obviously using stealth accounts.) I think there should be a groundswelling of people doing THIS. I got the idea when a guy sold me a $2K item and I waited... for 45 days and finally, ok enough is enough, skipped the joke that is PayPal and eBay... and filed a chargeback and promptly defeated the seller. I got a note from PayPal saying something like... the seller issued a refund. Then a few days later, "the seller has no money... we'll be in touch." That's HILARIOUS. I giggled as I awaited the chargeback to defeat them. So, I won the chargeback but because I filed a chargeback, I lost the case!! Isn't that brilliant of PayPal?? LORD. So, the guy sells me an item, I charge it... I get my money back because BofA took care of me. But, the guy who sold me the item - well he kept the money, too, because he emptied his account. So, he got a quick "payday" of 2K. And PayPal takes the hit, yes???? That's my read on it - and THIS is the scam I am looking for. So why can't I be the guy who sells to myself... and then don't ship, or better, claim to have shipped (this makes it civil), and then cleverly clear out my PayPal account so when they go to return the money to the buyer (me) it won't be there. Does anyone have any experience with this and/or what the result would be in this case? At worst, I researched and have a LOT of intel on the subject (for instance, if you have 4 bank accounts: 2 business, one checking, one savings, you can use them for 4 diff paypal accounts and do the instant verification...) Anyway, I'm looking for people who have a knowledge base in this arena.
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# RE: How to SCAM PAYPAL? This is in the title...Lou 2012-12-14 09:20
They will send you to collections which will mess up your credit rating. If you don't care about your credit rating then maybe that's an option for you. You could try using a stealth account but if you can't verify it, they're probably not going to release large amounts like $20,000 to you. PayPal is evil, and happy to help buyers scam you, but it's not stupid enough to allow itself to get scammed.
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# DISGUSTING!ClassicSigns 2012-12-17 18:52
As a 'Seller' I bend over backwards to give excellent service to my Customers. Every Item I make is hand made and takes, on average, at least an hour to make... I offer 'Free P&P' and a 'No Quibble' guarantee.

In 2 yrs trading I have encountered just one UK 'Not Received' case. I made, and sent at my own cost, 12 items! :(

... For the 12th item I despaired and drove 216miles, (i.e. 432 return!!), to hand deliver to my 'put-out' Customer's door.

I was met by the living epitome of Vicky Pollard and, thankfully, for THAT item, hand delivered at great cost, I received Positive Feedback!

I work on average 120hrs a week for (FAR..FAR) below minimum wage. My feedback is exemplary and I receive several emails each day saying how great my items are and how little I charge... but, sadly, I stay awake at night for fear of con-artists abusing eBay's processes to get a 'freebie' through threatening 'Negative Feedback' :(

I'm a single Dad, with two kids, and have never claimed any benefits...but each and every week I give away, perhaps, 20+hours of very hard, quality, work simply through fear and paranoia of ever receiving a single 'eBay negative' response :(

Thankfully I never have done so :)...but I do not know for how much longer I can carry on like this: Being held to ransom by lazy, X-Factor watching, criminals.

When I worked in London I used to deal with eBay Reps on a monthly basis and (when they left), we used to laugh at their ill-fitting/last-season 'Next' suits.... but now that I am self-employed I wish I could show the brash 'Youngens' how much, degrading, power they inadvertently wield :(

*sobs lots*
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# Russian PostNathan 2012-12-17 23:09
I have been selling online for a few years now and selling to Russia. I have had a few problems over the years and I have worked out how to fix people at there own game. This may help you with your selling.
First, check this website.
All parcels enter Russia change be tracked on this website. If it has a tracking number you will be able to track it on here, this will also have you with PayPal as they check with website. Last week I had a tracking number that couldn't be tracked on USPS as it showed as not being delivered and I emailed the tracking details to PayPal from this website and they closed the dispute in my favor.
Secondly, Always send items Express Post and use with there insurance. Why you may ask?! to put in insurance claim with PIP (who sure) all you need is an email from your buyer to say it wasn't delivered and they will pay on the claim and it's quick like 7 to 10 days and you will have a check in the mail, and they cover everything, don't get me wrong as soon as you put in an insurance claim they will drop you from there insurance, but it will help and then you can work out if this is what you want to do.
Thirdly, never under value your customs information, if your items cost $1500, say this. Yes the person will have to pay duty but you will have a better change in getting your item returned to sender. Don't get me wrong there is a 85% chance that it will be stole by customs as it leaves the Russia, but if it's is insured you will get your money back even with USPS it will just take a 45 days, but if there is missing items USPS mostly pay a claim, you just need to make you post person see that it's missing so they can report it and your claim can be paid. Also if you sell mobile phones or anything with an IMEI number or MAC address note these down as you can report the IMEI number on more and more websites now and it will be blocked and the phone will not work in any country. Yes you lost your product, but the person that has stolen it will not be able to use it as well.
Don't get me wrong this is a lot of work to do, but I am use to it now and I feel that anything that stops people from making money off of this is worth every effort I can put in this to stop them. The sooner Russian is Banned from eBay the better it will be, but people always find away around it. Give it time and they will get busted.
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# Russian Post againEugene 2012-12-20 01:05
Hi, I'm russian buyer.
My history is - more than hundred purchases (amongst them are musical equipment, board games, clothes, anique stuff and books). I had several minor problems with Chinese sellers and had one broken item from USA dealer. But I believe this wasn't fraud or something, just coincidence.
There are many people who blamed russian sellers and sometimes you've got a point, but the situation is quite different that you describe about them.
Yes we have scammer among the sellers, that's true, mostly they buy something small and expensive - like jewellry or cellphones. But there is second and main reason when you shouldn't send these types of items to Russia - this is our Russian Post. Look how they store the parcel on the street where -30 degress celsius, you can find the pictures in the internet. Also we have many robberies during shipment, how do they do it? Easy! Unseal box, take the item, put some # inside with similar weight (pebbles or cheap coins etc) and seal off it accurately. On the tracking list everything will be ok, don't doubt.
But me and my friends from Russia often deal with musical dealers and have good relationship, do you know why? Because of Russian post! The same reason, thieves don't steal musical equipment even for 2000$ because they don't know what is guitar compressor means, ah some peace of crap for 2 bucks. I got two USPS boxes which were opened but none had been stolen, do you know why? The same, what is the crap is "guitar phaser".
My advice to USA sellers is don't send to Russia expensive jewellry, laptops, cellphones, and recently expensive photo cameras. Sometimes the shipment of these items becomes a lottery.
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# errorsEugene 2012-12-20 01:08
* "blamed russian buyers" not sellers
* "we have scummers among the buyers" not sellers
Sorry for my english :)
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# IMEA, MAC and banEugene 2012-12-20 01:41
I would like to admit that IMEA and MAC technology doesn't stop from succesfully using stolen items. We have many spot where you can re-wire,re-program for 10$ your iphone,samsung etc.
I don't accept it, don't use it. But we just have to deal with it and understand that thieves have became much smarter.
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# How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalAndrew Garrett 2012-12-20 08:58
Ebay has been trying to get rid of the small sellers for the last few years. The trials and tribulations of their early years, have driven them to change. Take a look at ebay Japan. This is their present vision for a business model in the US also. Good-bye small seller. Ebay despises you. The loses visited on honest sellers are made to drive those sellers away. It is their revenge.
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# Ebay treat seller like an enemy.asif 2013-02-04 20:09
It happened with me. Buyer receive the item, file for dispute and send me empty box and ebay/paypal issue refund.
Then ebay blocked my account.
Ebay treat seller like an enemy.
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# Ebay and Paypal will do nothing until it costs them moneyjohnnyC604 2013-02-05 14:03
Paypal and Ebay have a real sweet deal. As long as they are making money, they will do nothing to rectify this situation. I have complained to both Senator Durbin and Representative Scankowsky about the lack of oversight on Ebay and Paypal. Right now, only the States Attorneys have any legal oversight as Paypal is classed as a money transmitter, and as such is outside the regulatory scope of most of the federal agencies who would normally stomp on them. Coupled with the fact that Ebay and Paypal have now changed the rules prohibiting class action lawsuits, you have little alternative but to either leave or pay through the nose.

All this scamming going on is not costing Ebay anything. We, the stupid people, are funding their operation.

I would suggest either leaving Ebay or complaining about it to your US Senator as well as your Representative. When they get enough complaints, they will put the heat on. Senator Durbin's office sent me a letter that they have started receiving a lot of complaints about Paypal, and they are considering more oversight.
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# eBay Policy Ignores Postal Evidence at their Perilscaupus 2013-02-05 18:41
happened to me, too. buyer insisted the package arrived empty, that it was sealed and not tampered with. It's interesting that ebay admits that their policy is to pay off.

The problem with ebay's position, is that the post office stamps (or labels) packages that are received empty. If the package is not stamped, then it didn't arrive at the post office empty. But eBay ignores this fact. I don't understand their position. I smell a class action suit in the wind.
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# RE: eBay Policy Ignores Postal Evidence at their PerilFight PayPal 2013-02-26 22:15

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# Heads upBrenda 2013-02-08 08:43
I have to be the devils Advo here and add some things. I have been selling since 2003 and learned a few things in my experience and knowledge;

1) The carrier in USPS smoke in their trucks sometimes and the packages will hold the smell of it for over two weeks. So it is very possible you dont smoke but your package can arrive that way (I had carrier at old house that I had to report because eventually ALL my parcels smelled bad of smoke)

2) Russia and Italy take VERY low to deliver I do mean beyond the 45 days allowed sometimes. Their customs also take a lot of items so it VERY possible the buyer did not scam you. It is also possible since a high item was still at customs office and can be held for 2 months. If it was not labeled properly such as hand written then it can take up to 4-5 months to return to you. I recently had a parcel in last week show from Canada that was shipped in October and was refused. It is now February and I JUST got it back and Im in USA? Unfortunately Ive had items usually take 2 months to get to Russia, Italy, Indonesia is worse on times, Australia can be long sometimes.

3) I have had an occasion where I got an empty envelope back from post office to my address that I shipped (Life lesson is not ship certain items in envelopes or tape the heck out of them because the conveyor belts of postal system can rip open certain cheap boxes or envelopes so it is VERY possible that piece of jewelry fell from conveyor belt heaven and buyer never got it. My next question is why if they jewelry was so valuable would you ship in an envelope? box that crap up. The conveyor belts or being crushed by a package could damage it. Most sellers dont undrestand the postal system and all it contains like conveyor belts.

4) Ive had certain items arrived wet because the post office left in rain. I usually have great buyers who you kindly explain to them and have them report post office and then they are okay with you as a seller.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalBrenda 2013-02-08 08:45
Recently I am seriously considering however not shipping to Spain after someone bought Art doll and then left two negatives saying they were false items. After years of selling though, most times everything is good after I adjusted how I ship things like delivery confirmation and stating I dont most and no one at my shop does. Also describing item well and showing pictures. We cant let one or two experiences from one country knocks out hundreds of good ones. Since 2003, Ive had 3 bad from Russia, 1 bad from Spain, and only five or less from other countries.

Not all cases are scams like people think. I recently sold a $150 transaction of three items and I forgot postal code for international buyer. I now know it may be months before that package is either delivered or sent back to me. My fault. Not the buyers. However, a lot of sellers would run yelling scammer!!

I sold an iphone recently and put only USA buyers and put signaturte confirmation on that parcel. Never heard from buyer but says delivered so I believe im good but I have to wait out that next 30 days to see what happens. Cost me $17 to ship it on free shipping item. lol. I never told them I was putting Sign Confirm on it though so I may have saved myself. Not everyone buying Iphone is scammer on Ebay. I know that I have seen a lot since 2003 as buyer and seller. I got called scammer a few times and it was not the case. Many DVDs and games shipped to me over years had broken cases and sometimes damaged CDs from that breaking. I make sure I ship my DVDs and games in boxes seeing that. It helps being a buyer and seller. You learn some things from both sides to help you.
I never realized some things like shipping in bubble envelope doesnt protect a case from breaking in postal system or that item could fall out of envelope (regular envelope) or that it takes SO long to deliver to certain countries or if things arent accepted by buyer or picked up then it takes months to get back to you. I learned quickly about delivery confirmation on every single USA thing I ship and in years i never had a not received case. (imagine that? ;) ) I had to learn though through experience.
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# Scammed x2Ebaygotme 2013-02-09 10:25
I just started selling items on E-bay... Bad Idea! Scammed the 3rd sell I did! Paypal did release the funds as the seller was cought in a lie. Second time is BAD! Some idiot is going around buying laptops and not paying for them. You cannot report them for 4 days! In the time, they are racking up a bunch of ticked off sellers. I called E-bay and they don't care. What really sucks? I have to wait 30 days to re-list the item! E-bay sucks! Can't sell more than one item per Cat per 30 days? Really? Stupid... Why do they punish the sellers? They keep sending me a bill for the sell too! Screw you E-bay!!! Customer service hung up on me, I called back again and it says they cannot take calls at this time after waiting 30 minutes on the phone... Report them to the BBB! I am.
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# BBB is UselessjohnnyC604 2013-02-09 11:07
As I found out when trying to report businesses to the BBB, the BBB is mostly funded by big businesses, and they are a lot like Ebay in that they almost always find for the business.

Far better to make complaints about Paypal and Ebay to your US Senator and Representatives. There is virtually no oversight by the Federal Govt on Paypal or Ebay. This is done by the individual States Attorneys, so it is hard to get any meaningful reform.

Senator Durbin's office indicated that they are receiving an increasing number of complaints about Paypal. What is needed is a deluge of complaints about Paypal and Ebay to our elected officials so that the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau charter will be expanded to cover both of these lousy businesses.

It is easy to complain. Just go to yourelected officials website and send an email demanding federal oversight and consumer ripoff resolution. When they get enough complaints, they will stomp on Ebay and Paypal. Until then, nothing will happen.

Ebay and Paypal are making money hand over fist, and they do not pay for their foolish policies; you do. Until it starts costing them money or threatens their bottom line, nothing will happen.

So start complaining to the people who can actually do something; your elected officials.
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# Wire FraudPhilip Cohen 2013-02-09 16:25
You are correct about the BBB ...

Regardless, "wire fraud" is a federal crime and if the system worked at all you should be able to bet the "Feds" to do something about any "online" fraud ...

And the ugly reality for consumers dealing with the clunky, unscrupulous eBay/PayPal complex ...
"Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay: Case Study #5" ...
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# RE: Scammed x2Fight PayPal 2013-02-26 22:14

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# Cheated by eBayDavid Null 2013-02-10 16:37
I was cheated by eBay despite the so-called "Buyer Protection". I ordered tires from a big eBay seller. The tires did not come within the "estimated delivery time". I had to buy tires locally instead (tire are a pretty time-sensitive item: when you need tires you need them). When the eBay ordered tires arrived, I refused to accept them from the UPS and they were returned to the seller.

The seller refused to refund my money paid through PayPal. EBay said that I had no right to refuse the tires REGARDLESS OF HOW LATE THEY WERE DELIVERED and I was NOT COVERED by so-called "Buyer Protection". PayPal (which is owned by eBay) said I had to work it out with the seller. The seller, of course, just laughed at me. He had the tires back AND HE HAD MY MONEY. I've spoken to my eBay customers who have been similarly abused. HERE'S THE RULE: WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH A BIG VOLUME SELLER on eBay and there is a dispute, EBAY WILL ALWAYS TAKE THE SIDE OF THE SELLER. The high-volume seller generates thousands and thousands of dollars of revenue for eBay. How much does a lone consumer generate. EBAY will ALWAYS TAKE THE SIDE OF THE VOLUME SELLER and frack the little guy.
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# RE: Cheated by eBayJohn Smith 2013-02-10 19:02
David, you will need to report this transaction to your credit card company, because the item wasn't delivered and there isn't any signed confirmation of delivery it will be refunded by your credit card company.
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# RE: Cheated by eBayBrenda 2013-02-11 07:16
Estimated delivery time is just that. An estimate. The seller shouldnt be punished because it wasnt delivered on time you wanted. Why didnt you buy a faster shipping mode or guaranteed shippping time frame. I have to side with the seller on that one. Once you refused the shipment, it could have taken months to get the tires back. How unfair is that to the seller? Even though you should get your money back, he could maybe not have the tires, can you proe he has them? and 2) I dont think you should be covered under buyer protection. Parcel refusals are not covered under buyer protection. He had to pay Ebay and Paypal fees and you wasted his time and money.
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# Seller ProtectionReza Taba 2013-02-12 06:50
I agree with you 100%,
The safety of sellers is very important too. Guys, being and managing a big company like eBay or PayPal is very difficult. Especially a virtual business. I think they are doing a good job. This is all sellers and buyers that are making a mess. Even managing an account on eBay is sometimes very tough.
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# RE: Seller ProtectionPhilip Cohen 2013-02-12 07:14
Does anyone have the same problems with credit card transactions? No ...

And the ugly reality for consumers dealing with the clunky, unscrupulous eBay/PayPal complex ...
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# RE: Seller ProtectionjohnnyC604 2013-02-12 09:08
The only thing Ebay and Paypal manage effectively is their bottom line profit. They get this from maximizing the number of transactions and limiting their losses. They attract buyers with the buyer protection, and then get the sellers to assume all of the risk and pay the penalties. Thay do not care at all about fairness, justice, or the little guy. The only thing they care about is profit. The only real redress available to sellers was class action lawsuits, which Ebay and Paypal have now eliminated with their new policies which all ebay members were forced to agree to. This means binding arbitration from a company they have created and staffed. This is such a travesty that it boggles the mind that they are getting away with it.

Unless you are a big seller like Newegg, you will get ripped off in this environment they have created.

I would advise smaller sellers to take another look at ebid. They have been growing due to the amount of both buyers and sellers jumping the ebay ship.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalGardener 2013-02-10 18:29
Why did not you buy them locally if you knew that a delay of delivery would be a problem ? or were you unaware that dliveries can be delayed ??
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# useless paypalebay sucks 2013-02-12 03:12
you should pay by western union probably more reliable lol
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# Ebay alternativesLeaving Ebay 2013-02-12 14:42
I have recently started pulling all of my listings from ebay and moving to other sites. As of Jan of this year (2013) we have had alot of scammers claiming "Item not as described" and ebay giving them their full money back (They automatically side with the buyer) In the past couple months we have lost over $500 in shipping fees due to this.
So after a bit of research I have found quite a few other sites, #1 is, This is an amazing site so far (They even created a category just for the types of items I sell) They charge no fees for buying or selling. They ask only for a 3% donation if you sell something, which I happily pay to help keep the auction site free.

Other places you may want to look into are ebid,,, There are also many others that can be found within a few minutes of searching the internet.
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# am I protected?Asnaeb 2013-02-16 04:46
Now I am getting worried that I might get scammed after reading all the posts here.
A customer bought 10 tablet PCs from me and paid immediately, as it was required by me. Total transaction amount is 650 USD.
He asked me to ship all the items separately, one item/package due to lower risk at the customs. I did that for him. I shipped the 10 packages with airmail with tracking. But I read now that signature confirmation is required over 250 USD. I do not have it since I shipped all the packages with simple China airmail with trackings.
Now if my buyer claims that he did not receive the order, PayPal will take my money away? Even if I tell them that I shipped all the 10 tablet PCs separately? Thanks!
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# RE: am I protected?Mike Again 2013-03-16 07:08
even the shipping yes.

provide tracking for them post them all in the comments of the investigation, keep in communication BY PHONE with pay pal. demand to speak to a supervisor. keep all your emails with the rip off guy, make sure you post the emails telling you to send them all in separate packages. make SURE YOU INCLUDE THE HEADER for each email - make a detailed report that can be sent quickly and professionally so it can be understood by a complete idiot because that is who you will be sending them to. Pay Pal does not hire smart people. if the investigation is going wrong for you demand to speak to a supervisor. if the pay pal agent insists that is not possible hang up on them call back and demand to speak to a supervisor. can't stress that enough.

the pay the supervisors a little more to be smarter. You may get to keep your money this way, but it is your only shot. I can't believe you fell for that shipping thing. wow. after you have the guys payment already the balls in your court. even if he asks for something like that - ship it the way you said in the description. that's the deal and he can't change it. don't be silly again.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalsociopath 2013-02-16 23:24
#1 You have the person's address an angry motivated seller can simply show up to the person's area where he collects the mail ask a few question scout the place out and use a pool ball inside a tube suck an extract their cash back from the scam artist buyer.

#2 if you do not have the sac to perform act #1 contact me. violence is just another day at the office and getting up close and intimate with law enforcement personnel doesn't bother me in the least. In fact I get great pleasure from showing piggies how the bacon is made.
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# RE: RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalChad 2013-02-26 22:13

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# Stop selling on eBayMichael 2013-02-18 00:25
Between the eBay and PayPal fees, you give them 12% or more of the sale price.

And, they put advertisements for other people's items in YOUR listing.

Then, THEY determine how much you can charge for shipping. The really want you to ship for free.

They care nothing about security because that costs the money.

And, then there are the bogus patents the eBay uses to prevent competition.

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# Stop selling on EbayjohnnyC604 2013-02-18 05:56
Ebay will not change until they either start losing money or they are forced to change by regulation. Until then, I suggest sellers start taking a closer look at ebid and using Google Checkout. Ebid has been growing signifiganly the last three years mainly as a result of sellers like me ridding ourselves of the Ebay albatross. It is now a viable alternative. And, of course, there is always Amazon.

I will reiterate what I have said before, unless you are a big time seller, you will get burned if you keep selling on Ebay. It happened to me and when it did I could not believe it. Don't wait until Paypal all of a sudden reaches into your bank account without your express permission and withdraws a substantial amount of money to cover a Buyer Protection case. If you stay there, it will happen.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalRoopesh 2013-02-18 16:50
I sold a $1400 item, but only used delivery confirmation. Buyer's address was a post office.Delivery confirmation showed item was delivered, but 2 days later the buyer sent me an email saying he didn't receive item and opened a case against me.Since Ebay requires signature confirmation over $250,Ebay said I had to refund the seller.Buyer says that there have been many occasions when his post office has put the wrong key in his box, and it was someone else's packet and says that must have happenned here.That is, post office must have put the keys to a post box next to his and the other person took the item.I looked at feedback of the buyer, and have seen that he usually asks for refunds or partial refunds claiming "item not as described".In this case, he saw the parcel only had delivery confirmation and even though it says "delivered", he could still claim money since there was no signature confirmation. Ebay sided with him;paypal put a hold.My account had no money,and so there was -ve balance.But because I don't want to be suspended from Ebay,I've refunded.Now I have no item, and no money.My fault for not using signature confirmation.Learned the hard way (a $1400 way).
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# Ebay ALWAYS sides with buyers.johnnyC604 2013-02-18 21:19
I have some bad news for you Roopesh. Ebay looks for ANY excuse to side with the buyer. In your case, they seized on the signature confirmation. But, even if you had done the signature confirmation, it would have made no difference. Ebay would have come up with some excuse to make you refund the buyer.

On some computer forums, members are talking about ways to get "free" $800.00 high-end graphics cards. What they are talking about is exactly the same situation you ran into. If you stay, it will just happen again. You should have just left Ebay and gone to Ebid and set up a Google checkout account.

When you have a negative balance like that, if you do not refund, Ebay will eventually refund the buyer out of their own pocket and suspend your account until you pay up. If you do not pay up, they send it to a collection agency.

That is what happened to me. I told the collection agent that this was not a valid debt as it was not a fee or payment for service. As a buyer protections case, Ebay has an option to refund the buyer or not. If they elect to refund the buyer, that is not your fault. I sent the collection agent a certified letter after our conversation, and they decided they did not want to pursue debts incurred due to buyer protection cases as they would almost certainly lose in court, and it opens Ebay to a countersuit on your own home turf. You do not need to go to California to file the lawsuit in this instance.

So, do not keep money in your Paypal account, and as soon as a big money buyer protection case is filed, close your bank account immediately and remove any credit cards you have on file. Then leave. They will never collect, and it won't be on your credit report.
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# RE: Ebay ALWAYS sides with buyers.Asnaeb 2013-02-19 18:15
johnny, what do you think of my case?
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# RE: Ebay ALWAYS sides with buyers.Chad 2013-02-26 22:11

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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalRoopesh 2013-02-18 16:57
*...buyer's address was a PO box (not "post office").Typo above.
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# Ebuyer FeedbackDaisy 2013-02-21 12:56
Its not much but it does seem to help if you mention in your ad that you leave feedback for buyers on this site (as Ebay does not allow sellers to give negative feedback to buyers)then when you give the ebay positive feedback write in the description something like 'more details on ebuyer'. The threat of negative feedback is a power which some buyers abuse blatantly and sellers really need to have some sort of recourse. I have had a few bad experiences and am appalled at the lengths people will go to just to save themselves a few dollars. Sad really. My second piece of advice is stick to ebay for low value garage sale type items only and sell high value items via local paper.
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# File a lawsuit small claimsFarout 2013-02-22 12:36
On the contrary I had that happen to me and I filed suit against eBay and PayPal in small claims court armed with the post office evidence and correspondences from eBay.

Needless to say once the summons was delivered by the county sheriff at eBay's and PayPal's corporate offices to their legal department things moved fast and it got resolved to my favor to drop the lawsuit.

Evidently they don't want the bad publicity and they DO NOT have a leg to stand on when you have delivery proof.
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# RE: File a lawsuit small claimsPhilip Cohen 2013-02-22 13:47
And that's not the only unscrupulous aspect of the eBafia/PreyPal operations ...
The ugly reality for consumers dealing with the clunky, unscrupulous eBay/PayPal complex ...
"eBay-Facilitated Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay Auctions: Case Study #5" ...
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# Happens All The TimeJimmy 2013-02-25 18:56
This kind of BS has happened to us so many times on ebay I can not count. In our lastest fun with ebay after selling with them 10 years, being a powerseller, and top rated seller with over 20,000+ positive reviews and they restricted our account from launching for 30 days. Why you ask, because their software we used for automation selling manager pro lauched a bunch of duplicate listings. Now you might says has to be more then that there sure is. We responded too two emails explaing we did not lauch them, no one responeded other the auto emails, then we called 4 times, and they would not even cosider our history in trusting we did not lauch them, and to top it all the software we used to lauch them was Black Throne Pro Ebays products tool that is supposed to find duplicate listings did not find 1 of them of course this was all our fault too. Trust me do not deal with ebay or amazon if you want to make money online open your own website. Will take longer to get going but in the long run you will be sooooooooooo much better off. I would suggest 3dcart for ecommerce software thats what we use and are very happy, and closer to getting away from these crooks at ebay everday. Oh forgot to add every person we talked to was Indian. I am not a raciest nor do I have anything againest ppl from India, but when your trying to fix a problem with ppl you spend $10,000+ a year with they should at least be in this Country and have a firm grip on our language! Trust me FORGET Ebay they are horriable from a sellers view.
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# RE: Happens All The TimeChad 2013-02-26 22:10

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# PayPal Class Action LawsuitChad 2013-02-26 19:24

Visit this site and sign up to sue PayPal.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalJOE 2013-02-27 18:04
I am top rated seller with over 30000 feedback since 1999.

A buyer with 4 feedback bought my item, after received,
he just claim "not as described"

money being HELD and ebay asking he ship it back to me, guess what??
He shipped a box of junk back to me instead and he get his money back.

I report this issue to ebay but they cannot do anything as tracking show item returned already...

so ebay believe a buyer with 4 feedback said item not as described.
but NOT believe a toprated seller over 30000 feedback who received JUNK...

I do know package lost or stolen is a extra cost on top of a business.
but you know.. it do make me mad when those scammer can steal money from seller officially....

by the way, I sell photo equipment, guess how many item I have to sell to cover that 1 fraud... well.... I am leaving ebay soon.. :(
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# Paypal refund buyer and let them keep itemshugo 2013-03-11 01:35
This is becoming rediculous the way paypal operates. I advertised and sold watches on Ebay of which the movements was changed to Japanese movements. It was clearly stated 3 times, in the heading and in two other places in BOLD. The buyers received the items and then later filed that the items were fake. If a movement of a watch has been changed with another movement as it was stated, the watch won't be and can't be authentic anymore.
Ebay agreed with me and even removed ratings where a buyer said I am selling fakes, but Paypal sided with the buyers and refunded their money.
But the bad thing about these transactions is that Paypal let the buyers keep the items and I lost the original new watches which was Ceramic plus the original watch boxes which are very expensive.
NICE TIP FOR EVERYONE. Does not matter what you do. Do not sell on Ebay. the chances is very good that you will lose a lot of money. Rather start looking for items of which something have been changed and is not exactly the same as a new one anymore, like a winder which was changed, a replacement strap, glass or crystal or even a belt buckle in the case with watches. AND GO FOR EXPENSIVE ITEMS.wHAT ABOU A FREE #?? When you receive the item, go to a shop (evey second shop will do it without looking at the item)and get a letter stating the item is not authentic but a fake because of the change which the seller made on the item even if he stated it on his auction. Paypal will refund you and you can keep the item for free.
This might even work with cars as most second hands cars most probably have some replacement parts on it which is not 100% anymore.
Just imagine how much money can be made this way with computers, cameras, watches, etc. etc. and when you keep the free items and you don't want it fo yourself, you sell your free items on another auction site.
We can make a lot of money this way.
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# The china one with ten tablets is killing me.Mike Again 2013-03-16 07:00

how could anyone be that silly man?! You let the buyer tell you what to do after you already got paid? LOL

and you didn't know the 250.00 rule before you starting selling?

more than worried you should be man. that stuffs gone.

that guy sucker punched you big time.

Just in case no someone else doesn't know this the 250.00 even includes the shipping sent.

if i buy a 10.00 item, for example say from Greece, and the shipping is 245.00 that's over 250. see? im not kidding - it really works that way.

buy a 200.00 item and the shipping is 65.00 your 15.00 over. seller is screwed without tracking and signature confirmation.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalIan 2013-03-20 20:13
I once sold a forum to someone for £190, then when he had all of the information and I was no longer an admin, he tried to charge back on paypal. It actually worked but once i got on the phone to someone at paypal it was sorted out within a day. I was pretty surprised.. I then took the site back by getting another admin to promote my account and laughed hysterically while listening to "Break my stride" by Matthew Wilder.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalf*ck ebay 2013-03-22 17:29
these bastards just stole $50 from me. I shipped the item through the USPS and it says "sent to dead mail center", and the buyer said they don't know where it's at. And ebay gave them the money out of my account despite proof of shipment. Stunning.
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# RE: RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalMike In the USA 2013-06-04 13:42
dead mail center - this is USPS , your argument is with the united states postal service, @ 50.00 your item should have been sent usps priority mail, if you purchased the label through eBay you have recourse there as well. If you purchased the shipping directly from the post office you have a receipt and usps priority mail is automatically covered and also has tracking.

The only way this was sent to a dead address center is if you did not put your return address on it, usps priority will come back to the sender.

If you have tracking, and your receipt, go back to the post office and show them, once they find they cannot find your package and it was not delivered you will get a check for that item even if you did not buy insurance as long as it is under 100.00

Lastly. stop being silly.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalJames Whitley 2013-04-01 22:09
Buyer fraud on eBay is becoming a bigger and bigger issue. I am the owner of a start-up that is developing a system which helps identify potential risky eCommerce buyers. We use a proprietary scoring system which calculates risk much like the insurance industry identifies risky drivers and set insurance rates. Our system gives sellers the opportunity to avoid much of the fraud discussed in this article. I am looking for eBay PowerSellers who would be interested in participating in a free pilot and providing us with feedback. Our public website is not yet ready but please send me a PM if you want to know more - [email protected] .com.
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# OMG! LOL How many Fish have yuo caught with this one?Mike In the USA 2013-06-04 13:36
This is some seriously funny stuff here. A Scammer, comes to a web site with people crying about getting scammed and plays on their ignorance right in the forum they are crying into!!!

I say this is funny but it's not even original really. I mean this is classic Nigerian techniques - old school bad form. At least you typed in in proper English.

Contact this James guy for large sticks to be kicked directly into your anus. LOL
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# eBay the UnscrupulousPhilip Cohen 2013-04-01 22:35
Oh No, Not Another ?Reduction? in eBay Fees ...
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# eBay and Paypal are so big that they simply don't care!!Enlightened 2013-04-29 09:50
I have bought lots of bits and pieces from eBay and sold a few items too via PayPal. Their whole system is designed to rip off the seller. eBay advertising and commission charges are exorbitant and PayPal charge you commission on the postage charges even though eBay fixes how much you can charge for postage!
I had a very bad experience recently with eBay where a buyer made a false claim about a brand new item I had sold him. The claim was so false it was laughable but eBay nevertheless refused to remove the negative feedback he had viciously left me. It took a month of emails between the two of us before he finally retracted his negative feedback leaving me with my 100% positive yet again.

Paypal are total crooks, they don't take into account how many years you have been a customer of their's - they simply rule over cases like a blind king abusing his power. It is high time that governments of countries passed laws to regulate the two cowboys eBay and PayPal. They are running out of control with their nonsensical rules and regulations aimed at ripping off the innocent and rewarding the crooks.
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# Complain to your CongressmanjohnnyC604 2013-04-29 11:12
From what I have heard from the Staff in Senator # Durbin's office, they have been receiving an increasing number of complaints about Ebay and Paypal. When these reach a significant level (I don't know what that level is), Congress will act. Until then, Paypal is not regulated in any way at the Federal Level. They are a "money transmitter" in the eyes of the Government, and the regulation is done at the State level by local State's Attorneys.

It is therefore important to everyone who has been ripped off by Ebay or Paypal to complain to their US Senator and Congressman. It is easy to do; just go to their website and leave an email.

This is the only way anything will ever get done. Until that happens, Ebay and Paypal will continue to rake in the cash at the Seller's expense. They assume no risk; the Seller's assume all the risk. If you are a seller, and have not yet been victimized, rest assured it will happen to you. Get pro-active and launch a complaint to your Congressman now.
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# eBafia/PreyPalPhilip Cohen 2013-04-29 13:34
Agreed; the only way to eventually bring this criminal operation to book is to keep complaining to the responsible authorities ...

eBay is the greatest calculated facilitator of auction fraud that the world is ever likely to know ...

Oh no, not another "reduction" in eBay user fees ...
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# EBAY is a SCAMPissed-off 2013-05-02 09:55
I have realized my story as a seller is no different after reading through all of these posts. I was scammed from a buyer as well and never refunded paypal for giving buyer money back, so they closed my account. I think it would be great if someone started a website that listed names of buyers and sellers that scam folks.
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# RE: EBAY is a SCAMDavid Ramsey 2013-05-02 10:06
It would be great right up until the process server delivered the notice of your libel lawsuit.
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# WrongPissed-off 2013-05-02 11:40
Apparently David Ramsey it can be done without libel.
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# WrongPissed-off 2013-05-02 11:54
Here is another:

I would love to see a scammer try and take someone to court for a libel lawsuit. Bwahahahaha
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# RE: WrongDavid Ramsey 2013-05-02 12:03
Hey, if someone wants to try it, good luck to them. I notice the domain registrant for "" is hidden. Remember, anybody can sue anyone for anything: even a frivolous case can be expensive to defend against.
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# Lots of sitesPissed-off 2013-05-02 12:16
That is just one example. There are many more websites out there that list bad sellers and buyers. Just run a search and you will see many sites that are not hidden. David, sounds like you have been on the wrong end of a lawsuit. People like you are the reason why scammers stay in business. Make sure to report/list these dingle berries every chance you get without fear. They are thieves!!!!
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# ScammerPissed-off 2013-05-02 12:19
David, you almost sound like a scammer trying to protect his trade.
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# RE: ScammerDavid Ramsey 2013-05-02 12:22
I'm one of the writers for this web site, actually. And at least I don't hide behind a pseudonym.
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# Sue MePissed-off 2013-05-02 12:28
Well sue me then for using a pseudonym. I don't post my name because NONYA.
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# Everything was fine & I was doing a great job as a sellersheryl 2013-05-19 01:40
I have been selling with eBay since last December. Everything was fine. I had very happy customers who sang my praises. No bad reviews or ratings, no complaints (that I am aware of), no cases opened at all. I tried to sell an unused hookah once that I found in my community's trash area once. They said since it was 17" instead of the traditional 18"+ hookah that it was for something else and not to list it again. So I didn't. Things were smooth sailing still after that. Later I started selling on an account I opened over a year ago but never used. Still, everything is fine until I tell them I have it then they restrict it because I was selling some of the same items as the other account. Oops! Didn't know that so I gave them my game plan and everything was fine again. I opened another account so I could sell electronics separately & linked the account to the others & told eBay my intentions with it. Things are still ok. Later they remove an item because in the past buyers have had poor quality issues with similar items. So I wasn't supposed to list it again & I didn't. Well, at that point, they were on hyper alert with me, I guess, because 2 days later they indefinitely suspended my account for 3 measly reasons. 1. they said my account wasn't hard linked to PP acct., but that wasn't true. 2. I used a stock image. 3. I priced a BIN item too low. Indefinitely suspension seems pretty harsh for 2 very minor things. One of which is not even a policy violation. The other, maybe. What is wrong with them.? They say I am a "risk to the eBay community". For what? Offering a good price on a used item and only using a pic of the box instead of the actual item? and what's with eBay putting stock images in your listings? It's like they are trying to set you up to fall. What crap!! I worked so hard on this business and had very pleased customers. And now I can't even take care of the orders that are still in transit or unfinished. Don't they care about my customers. I do. I have unfinished business with them....AND NOW, now that they did this, I have a customer that wants his money back while his item is in transit, likely because he is worried he wont get it because he thinks I am a bad seller who ripped him off because eBay closed my account. The NERVE!
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# This is entertainment.Mike In the USA 2013-06-04 13:28
I really have a problem feeling sorry for people who just plain do not read the rules.

It's a plain and simple fact that people just do not read the rules for eBay, they do not keep update with all the BS changes that are made, they think selling on line is easy money and no problem and easily understood. Well, guess what, the scammers know you are out there. You people that sign contracts with companies like eBay and never bother to read any rules. HILARIOUS! I am glad that there are people out there like you guys, it takes the heat off the scammer pots. see a real Scammer back in the day had to keep on top of #, he really had to know what he was doing and stay informed, look sharp and be smart.

Now? You , any old bum, any 15 year old kid, any little girl with a ipod can scam your silly ass because you thought it would be easy to sell stuff online. LOL You didn't need to read the terms, the conditions, or even the basic structure of the selling and or buying process. YUP! You thought that was all Bull#, but now that your out some dough you are crying about it, you can't even take the blame, you are blaming it ion the scammer, you are blaming it ion eBay, you are blaming it on Pay Pal. LOL

SERIOUSLY - you can smoke a scammer if you are prepared for them. I can't even count how many I have Jammed up in the past 19 years. It's a sport for me now, I will seek the S.O.B's out and destroy them. If there were enough people like me and less people like you there would be no scammers, only because there would be no profit it anymore.

But then I would not have the fun of reading these posts every week or so.
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# RE: This is entertainment.Philip Cohen 2013-06-04 17:55
Well Mikey, how about using some of your expertise to go after the greatest calculated facilitator of auction fraud of all time, eBay Inc ...
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# Hey Mikey likes itMikey likes it 2013-06-04 14:09
It takes a scammer to know/spot a scammer Mike in the USA. Your posts crack me up bro because you think your above everyone, but your the type of person who can't look someone in the eyes and probably crosses the street when you see someone bigger than you. You are the paranoid next door neighbor that is scarred of his own shadow and is easily intimidated. I know your type because I can't even count how many of your kind I have jammed up in my life.
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# IDEA!Outraged 2013-06-13 03:15
I just had an idea for all the unfortunate saps who've been taken to the cleaners by bad buyers. A lot of you are saying you see them reselling your item? Well, why not try pulling their own game on them? Since eBay has a "policy" of always siding with the buyer, you could make a new eBay account with a different address, or use a friend's account so the scammer won't notice, buy "their" stuff and have some fun with 'em! You may end up actually getting your property back. And since you're the buyer now, your revenge is guaranteed, courtesy of eBay.

No law and no order is a two-way street. :D
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# AppauledFelin 2013-06-24 07:43
It seems to me that there is one very simple solution to this problem. If Paypal would but require the buyer to mail the received "empty" envelope back to buyer so that buyer can confirm that, in fact, USPS did stamp it as "empty" or whatever it is that they place on such a package. At the very very least, they should require the buyer to provide photos. How hard can it be Paypal. Really?!

Sorry that this happened to you Mr. Coles.

Let us not forget that these evil "buyers"/THIEVES will not go unnoticed by God!
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalbette page 2013-06-26 08:12
It's June 2013 and you will be happy to know that eBay heard you. The tables have completely turned in favor of the seller-scammers. I have FIVE items that I have bought in the past month. ONE of them is actually shipping. The phony resolution center means they can go round and round with you in email. Even calling eBay customer service will get you some lisping scammer IN ASIA who will do nothing for you. The whole site is now a waste of time. Try Etsy or Amazon.
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# International Buyer claimed not to receive itemJack 2013-07-31 21:39
I auctioned an electronic item on Ebay and someone from Portugal got the last bid right before the auction ended. He then sent me an email asking me if I shipped internationally, knowing I would likely say yes instead of saying no and having to list the item all over again. Being the foolish new seller who has only sold two items previously, I agreed and [provided him with the cost of shipping. He immediately paid, and I sent out the item, wrapped in insulation, in a box that said "caution fragile electronic" four times on it, twice in English and twice in Portuguese. Twenty days later, I find that Paypal had taken back the money because of an open case. Apparently he opened a case saying he never received the item. I was prompted to provide tracking information, so I did. I even called the USPS to determine if the item left the United States. I informed the buyer that I had sent it and would let him know what USPS told me. The next day I was informed it did leave the US and so I contacted him again. He never responded. I wanted my money, so I called Ebay and asked them what I should do. I was told to wait until he responded, and if he didn't to escalate the case and I was ASSURED they would rule in my favor. I waited two more days. I contacted Ebay to escalate the case, but this time was told they would rule in his favor if I couldnt prove it was delivered. I tried explaining that no delivery confirmation is given on packages sent internationally, but could not get a straight answer except for "wait on the buyer to reply". I immediately contacted Ebay a third time to get a third opinion, because at this point the last two reps contradicted themselves. The third rep said that I should definitely escalate the case. Two business days later, I called Ebay once more to confirm what I should do. I was again told to escalate it and the rep said she was confident that I would win the case because of his lack of response and the item being unable to be tracked once it left the US. So finally, I escalated the case. That night, tonight, I received an email saying that they ruled in his favor because I failed to provide tracking info proving he received the item. Now I find myself screwed out of the original item and the amount I paid for shipping! And mind you all of this has happened in less than a month. I am pissed that Ebay would be so careless in this matter. I feel scammed and the scamming f***er is gonna get MY item for free. Am I wrong to be upset?
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# We can do something about PaypaljohnnyC604 2013-08-15 03:48
There have been a number of scams by Paypal users and other abuses committed by Paypal itself recently which has caused more calls for Paypal to be regulated like a bank. Here is one article from the UK :

Currently, Paypal is considered a money transmitter, and as such falls under the purview of the individual states attorneys. This essentially means that Paypal can pretty much do as it pleases, which also means ebay can do pretty much as it pleases as ebay owns Paypal. The best way to cause positive change to both these organizations is to have Paypal regulated like a bank by the Federal Government. Under this scenario, Paypal could no longer take money out of your bank account for ebay fees at will (among other things).

Getting Paypal regulated is achievable, and is the single most effective way to get ebay to start changing some of its more ridiculous policies.

We are coming up to the 2014 mid-term elections folks, and if our elected representatives hear the same thing about Paypal from a malority of their constituents, something WILL get done. So, get off your butts and start emailing your United States Senators as well as your House Representatives and tell them it is time for Paypal to be regulated by the government! I have written Senator Durbin several times about this issue and his office staff has responded that they are starting to get a lot of complaints about Paypal. If we keep up the pressure we can really throw a giant monkey wrench into the ebay machine.

SO, get to emailing!
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# Contact State CongressmanAtoZ 2013-10-17 07:52
eBay and PayPal, and any other business that operates in your state is only a guest. They have no inherit right to do business in your state as they please - they are permitted to do business based upon laws your state sets. If you really want change with ebay then you will need to force that change on ebay. You are wasting your time if you think your opinions or complaints to agencies that have no power to punish are doing any good - ebay does care - they have no conscience and will continue to do as they wish - as would any third world dictator.

1. Contact your local state congressman and provide them with written documentation about ebay's wrong doings. If your local rep. does nothing then make clear you will be voting against them in the next election.

2. Contact your state's Attorney General. Your AG can sue ebay and bring criminal charges against ebay. I suggest you wait until you gotten rid of your remaining inventory before doing this, or sell elsewhere, because ebay will retaliate against you by various means which will not be able to prove.

3. If you can't do the above and are too lazy then you only have yourself to blame.
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# .....Phae 2013-10-17 08:58
1. "If your local rep. does nothing then make clear you will be voting against them in the next election"
a - This is a form of extortion, which is clearly one reason your probably jaded against eBay.

2. You can't sue a company for holding you responsible to their policies, and if you do you'll just be losing money as you're not going to win. (Also eBay is a large company, and composes it self professionally, the idea that a large company would waste time messing with a single person is ridiculous)

Now what you should actually do -
Any time someone tries to do a charge back, contact PayPal and work closely with them to get it resolved as they'll help you fight the case. If for any other problem, just contact eBay they'll generally give you the best course of action.

The last comment i'll make. Remember that you're running your own business, yes business, eBay/PayPal isn't there to take the loss for you and yes you will more than likely get hit with a loss at some point in time. It's going to happen unfortunately as not all buyers are truthful, prepare yourself for it. This is how you'll be successful.
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# RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalmixedfish 2013-11-11 05:36
Hi everyone, long time lurker of these stories....until I just got scammed $2k myself and so I feel the need to leave my mark here.

Buyer bought $2k worth of gift cards from me via Ebay and paypal checkout, now I knew he was fishy to begin with and there would be no seller protection for gift cards, but I'm a reasonably seasoned seller so I knew if I could prove the buyer had received them as mentioned by Ebay messages and post tracking, I would be bullet proof against any claim...WRONG!

I received my cash in my account no problem, over night I woke up (6hrs later) to see the $2 payment had been reversed and a new case opened as 'unauthorised purchase' and closed due to no 'seller response' within minutes of each other according to the action logs.

Point 1: how can a case and decision be made within minutes, that leads to $2k worth of cash refunded?

So ok, no problems, I thought I'd submit a evidence on appeal clearly showing the buyer had signed for the packages 'under their name' and mentioned in the Ebay messages they received the items and all was dandy/authentic.

And the decision: well you guessed it, against me, apparently because I don't qualify for seller protection, so everything I submitted means absolutely nothing, even if the evidence is concrete by the book.

Point 2: How do you even get disqualified for 'buyer protection', if everything is stacked against you?

Now I am going to once again reappeal, with all guns blazing, even collected evidence by chatting to another seller who was also 'scammed' by the same seller. If I get the same response from Paypal....that's just bluntly ridiculous, I'd just admit defeat stop hoping for at least my money back and going straight to cyber-crime police at least assist in getting him arrested.
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# RE: RE: How to Cheat eBay Sellers and Scam PayPalMike Again 2013-11-14 04:42
I win every time it happens. These people that say you can't win are incorrect.

Your story has too many variables. missing ports of the story. if i knew the whole story i bet I could help.

a gift card - some one paid 2000.00 for gift cards? were they sent online? not through the mail? an Unauthorized purchase is what would come up if the credit card was reported stolen. if the card was reported stolen and only 6 hours had gone by - unable to contact the seller rule would not fly if your information on eBay was correct. IE: email and phone. easy to prove for you. INSIST to speak to a supervision while you are in the phone with pay pal. The reason people loose is they take no for an answer and they do not have the facts straight. ( meaning all stupid people loose.) for real. that's how they loose. I am not trying to insult you, I am telling you not to be stupid and you will win.
I have won every single time some one tried to scam me. I have even come out on top and reversed the scam on the scammer a few times. I love that!
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# To be expectedjohnnyC604 2013-11-11 06:13

I, and many here, could have told you how it would go down. Sellers never win a buyer protection case. Ebay and Paypal are all about making money for themselves, and could care less about their sellers losing money. They need buyers to keep their machine running.

One thing you may try is when you appeal drop in there a notice that you intend to file a complaint with the State Attorney General if their decision is not reversed. That is the only governmental agency with any regulatory power over Paypal right now.

I would also urge you to write up your experience about this and file complaints with your US Senator as well as your US Representative with a request they pass legislation to regulate Payapl as they do banks. That is the only way Ebay and Paypal will be held accountable in the long term for their actions.
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# RE: To be expectedmixedfish 2013-11-11 06:52
Yes, thank you for your suggestion, of course I will do anything to bite back at the Ebay/Paypal duo comedians. This isn't the first time Ebay/Paypal has slapped me in the face for being an honest seller, I've already ranted before one time when my competition were systematically reporting my listings ,for advantage reasons, taken down for 'copy-righted' pictures even when I took them with my own camera LOL. And this eventually led to me being suspended for too many strikes, they even refused to remove the stain on my reputation, despite acknowledging the possible abuse.

The $2k is a lot of money, and in the end it was my fault for dancing on thin ice so I will let bygones be bygones, but It's just ridiculous how over the years of of me being a big seller and possibly passing through over a $1mil of funds, Paypal cannot even help me by seeing the obvious fraud in front their face even if I did all the investigation for them (HILARIOUS).

It's really a hate/love relationship, Ebay/Paypal know they have all the traffic and I know that too, so I can't just pack my bags and move my business elsewhere.
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# Yeah, but where?!Me 2013-12-26 04:00
So... what's the alternative? Where do you take your online business to?
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# CryptocoinsKev 2013-12-04 19:17
Just got scammed on ebay as well, Sold cryptocoins to elgritonx on ebay and sent the coins soon as I received payment. Once they received their coins they canceled the payment. Same buyer has done it to atleast one other member in recent weeks yet they still are allowed to buy and have 100% positive feedback. Scared to sell anything else on Ebay now ;(
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# Worried BuyerTTH 2013-12-31 07:27
I accidently bought the wrong version of a Kindle Fire. I wanted Kindle fire HDX but bought the Kindle HD instead. I realized my mistake about 5 minutes after transaction. I sent the seller a message to cancel. about 5 hours later he marks my items as shipped but there is no tracking number.

I asked why did he ship when I asked for it to be canceled. He says he didn't read his messages and just dropped it in the mailbox. I'm asking him for tracking information but he is ignoring me.

What to do? If I return it and there is no tracking he can claim I never returned the item.
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# RE: Worried BuyerOlin Coles 2013-12-31 07:41
I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but you're part of the problem and not part of the solution. Do some reading, both here and on eBay, because there are obvious answers posted everywhere. Not reading is what got you in trouble in the first place.
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# RE: RE: Worried BuyerTTH 2013-12-31 09:08
So I'm not entitled to make a mistake? Both kindle HD and HDX look similar. I want to actually work with my seller. Not trying to cheat them. When I put into search was Kindle HDX and this was the first thing that popped up at the top of the new list thing ebay has going on now. I'm sorry I screwed up but I shouldn't be punished for it.

I want help not to feel worst than I already am at the moment. So screw you.
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# RE: RE: RE: Worried BuyerOlin Coles 2013-12-31 09:38
Log in to eBay, and click the "Customer Support" link at the top.
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# RE: RE: Worried BuyerTTH 2014-01-05 10:29
Thanks everyone~! Seller and I were able to work everything out. He told me just return the package and provided me with the tracking information.

Worried for nothing >_<

The only thing I'm concerned about now though was that he sent it via UPS. I haven't opened the package but can place Return to Sender on it drop it in the their box? I couldn't refuse it at the door because the UPS guy just dropped the package at my door and left it sitting there. Glad no one had taken it.
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# RE: Worried BuyerPamm 2013-12-31 09:40
Hello Worried Buyer, I am a Power Seller & In This Case If Buyers Offer a Return Its usually only if a Seller Had made a error in the listing or if the item was lost in the mail. As ebay states a seller does not have to accept a return if a buyer changes their mind. A Seller has to prove He Shipped the Item, If Item Doesn't Arrive Then you Can File a Claim read Description & see how what Seller put as delivery date. You Can Check the Sellers Return Policy. Some Sellers Will Accept Returns within 14 days Regardless of the Situation. But not all. In This Case If Seller Did Everything Right & You Changed your Mind they don't have too. Best thing you can do in this case is to turn around & sell the item yourself on Ebay. Seller has 7 Days to Get Item To you. If the item doesn't show up then you will get a Refund. But don't send back until you know the seller will accept a refund. If you do you might be out of money and a kindle fire. Because he doesn't have to refund you even if you return it. You were at fault not the seller. Never return a item without a confirmation number. You can take to post office & have delivery confirmation added to packages. Post Offices Won;t Let you Return Items Anymore. You Would have to Pay To Ship Back. A Good Seller would have cancelled your transaction for you. I Would wait for 7 days to see if you get the item. When you do best thing you can do is Turn around & Sell it yourself in this case. If You Can't Reach Agreement with Seller. Good Luck
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# WrongPat 2014-01-03 08:31
Literally everything you just posted is wrong. If a seller offers a 14 day return policy, it doesn't matter if you just changed your mind or if its broken they have to take it back. That's part of being top rated, and why I recommend buying from top rated members. There's no such thing as a 7 day delivery time frame before we'll give money back to a buyer. A case must be opened, we'll give it appropriate time to be delivered, and only if a case is escalated will be make a decision on if a refund is required. Please do not give out false information about policies.
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# Wrong AgainJack 2014-01-03 09:09
You are assuming a lot in your comment Pat. Wheather or not the kindle can be returned is entirely dependant on the terms the seller sets due to the nature of this particular return. Not every item we want is sold by a top rated member, and considering how eBay allows the seller to determine things like return policies, this forces us to take risks with other sellers. There is such thing as a delivery time frame, according to the reps I spoke with regarding my issue that I previously listed here. It may not be 7 days, but it varies depending on shipping and delivery locations. eBay's policy on returns is to give appropriate time for an item to be sent, so tell me, how is that possible without associating a time frame to the delivery?
But I get what you are saying, a case has to be opened first. So in other words, eBay could care less how pong it takes for someone to send you your item until you complain about it.
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# RightPamm 2014-01-03 13:22
Pat, What Experience With E-bay Do You Have? Just curious since you seem to know so much. I have Been a Power-Seller for 10 Years, I think I know what I am talking about. I just had this issue with a buyer. I shipped item & They changed their mind after I shipped it. I refused to take it back. Ebay Customer Service Told Me By Phone, A Customer Changing Their Mind Does Not apply to the 14 day Policy Call E-bay. I won this case. Its up to What Seller Wants to do at that point if a buyer changes their mind without a good reason. The only things that apply if item is not as described or if it got lost in the mail. Anything else the seller has a right to refuse depending on their return policy. I know this because I went though it with a buyer. Why would a Seller take a loss because a buyer changes their mind? We aren't Walmart. Of course in another case because the buyer was so nice I did let them return some jeans & I Refunded them. But didn't have too, I wanted too. That is why I put 20% Restocking Fee if a item is Returned to cover my shipping charges. Seller States Their Return Policy On Each Listing. Ebay takes this into account when these things come up. There is a time frame for a Seller to get Item to you before your allowed to open a case. Opening a case when an item isn't received: Regarding the 7 Day Thing I meant A buyer can open a case after an item's estimated delivery date. If no estimated delivery date is provided, a buyer can open a case 7 days after paying for an item if the item was shipped domestically, or 10 days after paying for an item if the item was shipped internationally. I was just stating all Sellers has to be sure the Item Gets To Their Buyers within a reasonable time frame, that this buyer does not need to worry about not getting it. And if Seller can't prove they shipped it then the short of it the Buyer Gets a Refund in the end after opening a case. You need to do your homework.
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# eBay is a blatant fraudster ...PhilipCohen 2014-01-03 15:56
So, Pat, you "directly work for eBay"; then, how about a response to the following ...

The ugly reality of eBay Inc.:
eBay's crooked auctions marketplace ...
eBay Motors: Auction Fraud Galore ?
eBay's clunky, unscrupulous "PreyPal" ...
The ongoing joke of eBay Inc. ...
Fun quotes from the eBay executive suite ...

Shill bidding fraud by professional sellers on eBay nominal-start auctions is endemic; many of the bidders who bid early and often on such auctions are most likely these sellers' shills, and eBay Inc. is demonstrably the greatest knowing and calculated facilitator of such fraud on consumers that the world is ever likely to know, and doubtless there will be a trickle down effect of like criminal activity to all other eBay operations ...

And what does the "smart money" on Wall Street think about eBay? Well, in August 2007, shortly before Bain?s Johnny Ho took the captain?s chair, the share prices of both eBay and Amazon were ~$40; today, eBay is ~$54; Amazon is ~$398 ?

Now, seriously, what more can be said, other than ...

eBay / PayPal / Donahoe: Dead Men Walking ...
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# Return PolicyPamm 2014-01-04 06:22
How Do You Work Directly Work For Ebay What Is Your title? I won My Case Against a Buyer For Changing Her Mind So Its Not Policy or I would have Lost. I Just Copied & Pasted The Return Policy From E-bay's Web Site On Return Policy Below:
  • It Clearly States The Following Isn't Covered For Any Other Reason Other Then Not Receiving Item Or Item Not as Described:
Not covered: Copied & Pasted Below
The following isn't covered by the eBay Money Back Guarantee:
Buyer's remorse or any reason other than not receiving an item or receiving an item that isn't as described in the listing. (See the seller's return policy for return options.)
Duplicate claims through other resolution methods
Items shipped to another address after original delivery
Vehicles (see the eBay Vehicle Protection Program), Real Estate, Business & Websites for Sale, Classified Ads, services, and some Business Equipment categories (see the eBay Business Equipment Purchase Protection).
Items purchased on, eBay Wholesale Deals, or eBay Classifieds
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# Don't Know What HapppenedPamm 2014-01-04 06:24
Don't know why there are lines through the Policy I Pasted... but not suppose to be there you still can read it.
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# Different Return PoliciesPamm 2014-01-04 06:33
I Just Found This return policy and found another one that I didn't see before, they are stating two different things. So its confusing. As you see above it states one thing and I found another policy stating another as Pat stated. So I am calling e-bay again because its saying two different things. This is why Its So Confusing For Everyone So Me & Pat Both Were Right, It's E-bay who is Wrong. All I know is I won The Case & I Was Told By E-bay Rep That Changing mind after I shipped Item was not covered by Return Policy. So I Will Be Making Sure I put in all my listings Returns Only Accepted For Not Receiving Item or Not as Described To Cover Myself. A Seller doesn't want to lose out on Packaging Material & Time & Shipping Charges to Ship to a Buyer because they didn't read the description or they just changed their mind. I value my customers but that is where I draw the line. Good Day
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# ResponsePat 2014-01-04 07:07
Reply was left below on a different comment, sorry about that.
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# Difference in the twoPat 2014-01-04 07:05
The reason your seeing two different policies is because we're looking at two different things. The first thing you linked is based on our eBay buyer protection. Meaning if a case is opened those would be the normal guidelines, what I had originally linked is directly for returns. If you select any returns at all on your listings, (14 day for example) it does not matter what you place in your description. The 14 days will take precedence, and if a case is opened the case should be closed in favor of the buyer returning the item at their expense. Now that being said, I'm not sure what happened in your case since I wasn't the one to review it so I wouldn't be able to give you a good reasoning for it. The biggest thing to remember is that eBay pushed returns for the top rated discount specifically because they know not all sellers can support the idea of losing out of shipping costs, but if you do select a return, just be aware you are agreeing that the buyer can return it for any reason, regardless of what is placed in the description. As for title, I'd rather not go that far into it as we are in a public forum.

Your implying that eBay is aware of every person who shill bids, and is ok with them doing so. Which I can attest is very much so not the case. We remove many many seller/buyers for these violations daily. We've also taken initiative lately to remove a very large quantity of sellers who were not meeting our standards going into the Christmas season this year as we wanted to insure we were providing great customer service during peak season. I once again can assure you eBay, is not ok with direct policy violations such as shill bidding, and we take action of these types of situations daily.

As for your obvious attempt at trolling and being uneducated about the situation with John Donahoe. He took the reigns in March 2008, if you look at the stock prices he's doubled stock pricing since he took the reigns. Then being 25 dollars, and as I type this them being at 53$ Just because your unhappy with not being able to do what ever when ever you want, doesn't mean the company has taken a turn for the worse. We have changed, and adapted very much so. But if you look at it in a business aspect, numbers don't lie the company is doing much better and providing much more business for sellers now then it was when he came into power. Good luck with the trolling though.
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# eBay shillPhilipCohen 2014-01-04 12:29
Your implying that eBay is aware of every person who shill bids, and is ok with them doing so. Which I can attest is very much so not the case. We remove many many seller/buyers for these violations daily. We've also taken initiative lately to remove a very large quantity of sellers who were not meeting our standards going into the Christmas season this year as we wanted to insure we were providing great customer service during peak season. I once again can assure you eBay, is not ok with direct policy violations such as shill bidding, and we take action of these types of situations daily."

You are so obviously a disingenuous eBay shill?or a fool; undoubtedly you are an employee of the eBay Dept of Spin; regardless, you speak with an obvious "forked tongue" and I submit my case study on the blatant and massive shill bidding eBay seller eDropOff (and others) as proof of my assertions of eBay?s criminality ...

How can you tell when an eBay spokesperson is being disingenuous? Their lips are moving ?

Now please, go away eBay shill ...
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# InterestingPat 2014-01-04 13:18
It's interesting to me that you resort to jokes, and taunts since you obviously have no more "hard facts" to back up any of your obviously obsessive ranting. Please continue to rant and rave to your hearts content, I do hope that it makes you feel better at the end of the day. If you have any actual information you'd like to go over, i'd be happy to help. Otherwise, please spew your garbage elsewhere.
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# Hey PatJack 2014-01-04 17:19
Here's a joke for you:

?? over the last 3 years, I've replaced 75 of the top 100 people in this company.??John Donahoe (18 Jan 2012)

What an awesome management decision huh?
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# Hey PatPhilipCohen 2014-01-04 22:34
Pat, let?s get some facts straight. Johnny Ho was well in control of the eBay marketplace in mid 2007 ? notice all the Ho?s comments from 2007:

?There?s a real push to keep doing what you?re doing because it?s working.? - John Donahoe (2007) ...
Really, I can't imagine anyone wanting to do that ...

?We talk and listen to customers, but for this kind of innovation, customers don't always know what they want.? - John Donahoe (2007) ...
So, there you are, Johnny Ho knows better than you what you want ...

?Even though people think I?m an expert at technological innovation, my own instinct for technology was frozen in place in 1982.? - John Donahoe (2007) ...
On the first part, who could possibly think that? On the second, never a truer word was spoken by Johnny Ho ...

?We?ve had the disruption, now we?re having to disrupt the disruption.? - John Donahoe (2007) ...
And, six years later, what is there to show for all the Ho?s disruption? ...

?We had to create a vision of the future so people could let go of a very successful past.? - John Donahoe (2007) ...
Well, he certainly has achieved that goal, to ?let go of a very successful past?, that is ...

?... is there going to be some noise along the way? There is.? - John Donahoe (2008) ...
How's all that ?noise? now, Johnny Ho, still ringing in your ears? ...

?We are driving more changes than ever. There are no silver bullets, we're testing in different geos, when we find things that work, we'll do more of them and less of the ones that don't.? - John Donahoe (2008) ...
We have no idea of what we are doing but we are doing it anyway ...

?There are a lot of people talking about mobile payments these days.? - John Donahoe (2012)
Only in your hallucinations, Johnny Ho ...

?Our ambition is to be the strategic partner of choice for every leading retailer, brand and manufacturer across the world ?? - eBay Employment Ad (2013) ...
Johnny Ho is delusional, of course; then, we are all entitled to dream ...

So, we have established that Johnny Ho was in control in August 2007. And what then does the "smart money" on Wall Street think about eBay since? Well, in August 2007 the share prices of both eBay and Amazon were ~$40; today, eBay is ~$54; Amazon is ~$398 ...
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# Hey Pat, again ...PhilipCohen 2014-01-04 22:37
For anyone that is interested, the facts to substantiate the allegation that eBay is the greatest calculated facilitator, and aider and abettor before and after the fact, of shill bidding auction fraud on consumers that the world is ever likely to know can be found at ...

I really don?t mean to insult you but you are so obviously a disingenuous eBay shill so I don?t expect you to peruse this case study; however, if you do bother to peruse the ?hard facts? supplied therein, I don?t doubt that you, like that other disingenuous eBay stooge, Chris Van Wagoner, will also not be able to see any indication of shill bidding on eDropOff?s auctions ...

I await your response - the response that I would expect from an eBay shill - that indeed you too can see no indication of shill bidding on eDropOff auctions ... LOL
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# Dedicated ForumsTerry Henderson 2014-01-13 15:20
I find it really sad that there are websites & forums dedicated to scamming sellers on Ebay & Amazon. These people make me sick and deserves whatever they have coming.
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# thanks so much!!!!!judy 2014-01-16 09:33
I want to thank everyone who took the time to warn others about Paypal and eBay. I have recently retired and have many items to sell. My first consideration was eBay but no longer. If anyone has any other options for selling sites the may consider scam free, please once again take the time to list these here. This may be the only way to eradicate this apparent blight that has come upon all of us who are trying to make an HONEST living. May all of you be blessed and the legal and other attempts be successful!
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# RE: thanks so much!!!!!Pat 2014-01-16 13:16
I honestly hope your kidding with this statement. There isn't going to be a site that has no sort of scam on it. eBay/PayPal is going to be your best bet if your looking for the best chance. Let me explain, If you look at the above comments the reason you see so many is because eBay is the biggest auction site available. Which means your going to have a MUCH bigger pool of people, but if you look at in a percent it's going to be smaller than the other sites. So for example if you have 1,000,000 people and 100 of them have an issue vs if you have 100 people 2 people have a problem. That means the place with 1,000,000 is doing better overall, your just going to hear about more complaints because it's happened to more people, but overall is actually a safer place. Please use logic next time, or I'd rather you not sell on eBay anyway.
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# Did someone mention eBay?PhilipCohen 2014-01-16 14:36
The ugly reality of eBay Inc.:
eBay's crooked auctions marketplace ...
eBay Motors (UK): Auction Fraud Galore ?
eBay's clunky, unscrupulous "PreyPal" ...
The ongoing joke of eBay Inc. ...
Fun quotes from the eBay executive suite ...

Shill bidding fraud by professional sellers on eBay nominal-start auctions is demonstrably endemic; bidders who bid early and often on such auctions will most likely be sellers' shills, and eBay Inc. is?also demonstrably?the greatest knowing and calculated facilitator of such fraud on consumers that the world is ever likely to know and, doubtless, there will be a trickle down effect of like criminal activity to other eBay operations ...

The only thing that surprises me about this online criminal enterprise is that it has not yet summoned up the gall to further hide this endemic shill bidding fraud by converting its auctions wholly to its devious ?private listing? format, or by changing bidding IDs to ?Bidder 1?, ?Bidder 2?, ?Bidder 3?, etc, as they initially were going to do when Donahoe first introduced the additional layer of anonymity for (shill) bidders in 2008, nor?surprisingly?have they yet ceased to publish the details of "completed" listings, a post-sale analysis of which can, with some effort, clearly demonstrate this endemic fraud and eBay's calculated facilitation thereof ...

And what does the "smart money" on Wall Street think about eBay? Well, in August 2007, when the "Pain From Bain", Johnny Ho, was already effectively in control of eBay, the share prices of both eBay and Amazon were ~$40; today, eBay is ~$54; Amazon is ~$395 ... Now, seriously, what more can be said, other than ...

eBay / PayPal / Donahoe: Dead Men Walking ...

I also have to wonder if Pierre Omidyar has ever thought about just how much more fabulously wealthy he would now have been had he, before Johnny Ho took control, traded his eBay stock in for Amazon stock, or had he not ok?d the handing over of the control of eBay to this unscrupulous, incompetent, destructive, narcissistic sociopath?
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# Hey Pat Shill...PhilipCohen 2014-01-16 14:44
Hey Pat, still waiting for your response to my earlier post re eBay-facilitated fraud on consumers. What's up, cat got your tongue, or are you still waiting for the eBay Dept of Spin to supply you with a logical response to my demonstration of eBay's knowing and calculated facilitation of auction fraud on its consumers? ...
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# RE: Hey Pat Shill...Pat 2014-01-16 16:13
Here's the thing Phil, of course eBay has by far the biggest amount of shill bidding the world has seen to date. It's the biggest auction site the world has seen to date. That's like saying the biggest bank in the world, has the biggest amount of money laundering. Of course it does, because it has the biggest pool for it to happen in. There absolutely no denying that. The part that you're incorrect about is stating that eBay is OK, and in fact supports it. We take actions daily to prevent, ban, restrict, and remove these auctions/sellers/buyers daily. There's nothing more to be said about it,now what I will say goes right along back with my last comment. We are still going to be the safest place to buy/sell, just due to the fact that we still have the best protections/preventions out there. We have the biggest pool, which results in the most cases, but that doesn't mean we have the biggest chance of you getting scammed. You just hear about it more because 1% of 10,000,000 people is much much bigger than 1% of 100,000 people on other sites.

Now as for your statements about John, you can have what ever ridiculous opinion you would like. You're obviously not into facts since your using comments about a business as a hire date for the man. Your not interested in anything other than your silly opinion about the state of the company. The fact that your still comparing Amazon (a retailer, in both music, film, and many other aspects) against an auction website is insane. They're two totally different business models, with different definitions and goals. eBay doesn't want to replace it's sellers with it's own market, nor do we want to create a tablet/eReader or sell music. You're just being plain stupid at this point.

Amazon = Retailer (that also has sellers, which it will replace if it's profitable for them)
eBay = Venue for sellers.

Jone Donahoe took over in March 2008, and has over doubled stock prices since then.

Those are the facts, your rants and skewed perception of things can continue now.
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# Awesome Response to a customerJack 2014-01-16 17:14
I'm not quite sure I like your condescending comment to Judy. Don't you supposedly work for E-Bay? Maybe you can provide proof to back that up. I wish you would, that way I would have evidence of an E-Bay employee telling an upset customer to either use logic next time or stop selling items on their website all together. Please, can you? It would make my day!

You really think E-Bay is just an Auction website? You are kidding right? Since when can you "Buy it Now" during a real auction? I'm pretty sure there are many of thousands of stores that don't even offer a bidding option for their products, which they have thousands of in stock. The people that give away their items in exchange for money are called "Sellers", not "Auctioners". The two largest sites when it comes to finding items for cheap is Amazon and E-Bay, so "different business models" or not, they compete with each other. Whatever you call it and no matter how large their user-base is or how their number of upset users correlates with their total users, E-Bay still has lousy protection for sellers when it comes to scams or mishaps.
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# But here's the thing PatJack 2014-01-16 17:15
But lets go with your business-type labeling of the company and go with your assumption that the large amount of complaints is because of its large size. If all of that was true, you would think that would mean that they would be in a position to use their large size to further minimize the complaints, which are mainly about buyer-scams. Don't think they can do it? Tell me then, why did E-Bay buy PayPal in the first place? They just have to take another step in that direction towards minimizing scams. How about seller protection instead of buyer protection? After all, one individual seller has a lot more transactions than one individual buyer. protecting the higher revenue-source sounds logical to me. How about E-Bay having their own parcel service? I don't get paid to come up with solutions to their problems, but those two things sound pretty feasible, so why cant they come up with more? Like I said, lousy job.

How about you stop cherry-picking the comments you respond to, stop getting butt-hurt and taking this stuff personally and try to resolve these issues. You aren't doing E-Bay any good by attacking people like this.

In the end, can't you figure out that your negative responses are not the logical thing to do?

When you see a comment you want to post on, how about you Please use logic next time, or I'd rather you not post on here anyway.
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# RE: But here's the thing PatPat 2014-01-17 01:10
Here's the thing Jack, I also sell on eBay, and my comments in regards to her not coming here are very much so not wanting to deal with a headache of having to do personal business with a buyer who isn't going to think rationally.

Now as for your "solutions", eBay has recent introduced an international shipping service in conjunction with Pitney Bowes to have items delivered internationally for sellers. What this does is allows sellers to send the item to eBay's warehouse in the US. Once delivered the seller is then protected and is no longer responsible for shipping to the buyer as eBay will cover the next steps including getting it to customs. We've partnered with many countries to both get tracking all the way to the buyers door step (which didn't happen before), and get it through customs faster so that we can help appease the buyers and provide a smoother transaction. One of the main reasons we started this was because international buyers could easily claim item not received and would then get money back (as tracking didn't go anywhere after customs). So there's a good start to your parcel service.

As far as seller protection, this has also been hit on in many facets, including the new feedback removals, automated returns, internal monitoring/reporting, and a wide variety of other things that are constantly being updated to help protect sellers as well. The problem is (and this ties back in with Amazon vs eBay) that sellers need to understand that eBay is a venue to introduce them to customers. That's literally it, they aren't there to take a loss for you if a customer screws you over (but they do add things in to help prevent and fix this if it does), they aren't there to give you an absolutely no risk factor while selling items. It just isn't something that can be done. For many reasons, including the fact that there are just as many sellers out there looking to scam buyers, as there are buyers trying to scam sellers. eBay is here to introduce sellers to it's market base, and hopefully provide a fast and easy way to sell your items, period. There is always going to be a risk in a business model done over the internet, no matter where you go. When you talk about things like eBay buyer protection, you have to understand that eBay looks at this as third party, we don't see the item shipped/received/broken/packed.
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# RE: But here's the thing PatPat 2014-01-17 01:16
When you sell online, at any retailer. Please keep in mind that there is going to be a risk, and getting upset about something as small as a negative feedback is really the last of your worries. (buyers rarely read a listing let alone research a sellers feedback page) When it comes down to it, eBay does a whole lot more on the back end then they need to as far as protection (that's my personal opinion as a large seller) and they try and make up for what they can't prevent. But we as sellers need to take ownership of the possible problems including scams/pissy buyers. There's nothing else to say about it. If you have buyers extorting you with feedback, call eBay they'll remove it. If you have problems with buyers claiming your items arrive broken, make sure your shipping with insurance, if your having a problem with buyers not paying for items, block them with your shipping preferences. If all else fails and you do end up getting burned, remember you chose to sell online, where you can't always control a situation, and buyers can lie/cheat/scam in a much easier fashion. Accept it, try and prevent it as much as possible, and move on to the next buyer. That's all you can do, or get out of the line of business and call it a day. The choice is always yours.
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# Pitty Pat ...PhilipCohen 2014-01-17 07:16
More ramblings from the paid eBay shill, a whole lot of disingenuous nonsense direct from the eBay Dept of Spin ...

eBay's GSP costs the buyer about double what international shipping normally costs ... this clumsy attempt to squeeze a few more pennies out of the buyer is bound to fail ...

Pitty Pat, you are going to have to lift your game otherwise your are going to go the same way as Hugh Williams and Chris Saridakis, "to spend more time with his family" ...

"We are driving more changes than ever. There are no silver bullets, we're testing in different geos, when we find things that work, we'll do more of them and less of the ones that don't." - John Donahoe (2008) ...
[We have no idea of what we are doing but we are doing it anyway ...]

Pitty Pat, I don't expect you, as a paid eBay shill, to read my case study on shill bidding nor do I expect you to address the allegation of massive auction fraud on consumers that eBay demonstrably aids and abets, as your job, as a paid eBay shill, is to minimize and deflect such criticisms, if you can; but I know one thing, that eBay now demonstrably facilitates such massive and blatantly obvious fraud on its consumers tells me that things are becoming desperate at the 'Bay; pretty soon they will be requiring you to "hot bunk" your cubicle space ...

The ugly reality of eBay Inc.:
eBay's crooked auctions marketplace ...
eBay Motors (UK): Auction Fraud Galore ...
eBay's clunky, unscrupulous "PreyPal" ...
The ongoing joke of it all ...
Fun quotes from the eBay executive suite ...

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Anon ...
[Regrettably, Johnnny Ho's capabilities appear to be limitless ...]
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# RE: But here's the thing PatPat 2014-01-17 01:20
Your still comparing eBay (a selling venue, regardless of buy it now or auction) to Amazon, which also does venue, they them selves are sellers (who literally kick off their competition and remove sellers who were doing well here to replace them internally), music company, eBook seller, and a multitude of other things. If the scales not tipped heavily in one way, I don't know what else could be irrational about that statement. Sure they compete in some of the same market, there's no denying that. But to compare stocks (which is what I was address above) is a little silly.
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# The reality of an eBay shillPhilipCohen 2014-01-16 19:40
Well, the eBay shills have to earn their pay somehow; and I suppose that someone has to be paid to try to defend eBay, as impossible as that task may be ...

And, why am I not surprised at your scripted response; I?ve heard the like of it many times before from other eBay representatives ?

Regardless, the cretinous Johnny Ho was effectively in control of eBay in 2007; see the transcript of his rambling Legg Mason "Thought Leader Forum" interview in September 2007 ...

And, the fact is, they were both ~$40 in August 2007 and Amazon?s share price is now nearly eight times that of eBay?s?eight times !!!

As far as the relativity of the amount of auction fraud by eBay merchants, using nominal-start auctions, on eBay consumers is concerned I will simply invite any reader, contemplating bidding on a professional seller?s nominal-start auction (and I don?t just mean 99c starts) to read my "Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay: Case Study #5" and make up their own mind on the basis of the facts presented therein at ...

The fact is, eBay Inc. is demonstrably the greatest knowing and calculated facilitator, and aider and abettor, before and after the fact, of auction fraud on consumers that the world is ever likely to know ?

How can you tell when an eBay or "PreyPal" spokesperson is being disingenuous? Their lips are moving ?

Now, Pat, back to your cubicle in the eBay Dept of Spin?shill ?
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# RE: The reality of an eBay shillPat 2014-01-17 16:03
Lol, I'm done reading your garbage. I'd be happy to respond to anyone who has a legitimate concern or question. But this guy's lost his marbles when someone kicked his rocker to hard. Your living proof that stupidity really has no bounds. Have a good night bud.
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# Re Pitty PatPhilipCohen 2014-01-17 19:06
Have I hurt Pitty Pat's feelings?

Regardless. is that a promise Pat, that you are going to crawl back into your cubicle in the eBay Dept of Spin, and we are never going to hear from you, or your disingenuous nonsense, again? Can we truly hope ...

Pat, I accept that as an eBay shill you are not interested in knowing anything about the massive auction fraud that eBay facilitates on its auctions. I can only repeat, I invite anyone that may be interested and who many be contemplating bidding on any professional seller's nominal-start auction (and I don't just mean 99c starts), to read my "Shill Bidding Fraud on eBay: Case Study #5" and make up their own mind on the basis of the facts presented therein at ...

Clearly, no eBay shill is ever going to admit that such massive fraud exists and that indeed eBay is actively aiding and abetting it to the hilt - so read my case study and make up your own mind ...

And I'll say it again, the fact is, eBay Inc. is demonstrably the greatest knowing and calculated facilitator, and aider and abettor, before and after the fact, of auction fraud on consumers that the world is ever likely to know ...
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# More Examples of Ebay Policy Creating a Scammer Friendly EnvironmentjohnnyC604 2014-01-17 10:10

Good article from another frustrated seller.
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# How to win honestly:bobbutler 2014-01-19 11:00
eBay allowed a Liar-Buyer to steal an item from me which cost me $51.89 plus my item, too.

After a total of over 500 sales on eBay, over a period of about 7 years, the "Buyer" not only lied about receiving an empty envelope, she threatened me to dispute her, then gave me my first negative. eBays policy is to side with the Liar-Buyers because they earn interest on all of the contested sales for an average of 2 to 3 months. It's as simple as that!
eBay makes money when Buyers lie and report empty envelopes! eBay doesn't care about losing Sellers, as new ones appear hourly with our sour ((Thanks to Democrats!)) economy.
The way to win is to create your own website. Surprisingly, if you have a desired item, and you encourage "Word of Mouth" advertising, your over-all costs are far less than the money that eBay hits you with.

I sell "hobby supplies" and offer a 5% perpetual referral to buyers. By being honest with those who refer you by always paying for every new customer, you'll be making business relatively soon. Plus by applying the commission as a credit, it only cost the cost of the product. You're happy, and after several referrals purchase, and the previous buyer turned referral agent / buyer is now very happy, too ... then works even harder. Being honest is key.
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# Ebay doesn't cheat people, bad people cheat people, Ebay and Paypal just help encourage the slaughterLaney 2014-02-04 01:26
I love selling and buying on ebay, the fees are killing me but it has been fun. I have taken all of my items off of the listing now, and the 1000 or so I was just about to list because of my little fun party... see below

oh I guess I have to retype my entire blog here. Let me get started. this may take a while
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# Ebay and PaypalLaney 2014-02-04 02:46
I have a question for the Ebay retiree. Why even tell the sellers that they have a chance to win the dispute/instant claim? Why waste our time with that if they are going to side with buyer from now on? I am now financial destitute because of paypal and ebay
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# uk mail signing for item themselfchris booth 2014-02-10 09:07
i had an item not arrived , took this up with ebay they found in the sellers favour , I appealed and the same

uk mail show it as signed for and just has my sir name printed , I was away at the time so spect ukmail jeft it on my door step as they have done in the past and it was stolen

where ig gets complicated is I am not a customer of uk mail in fact the person sending it was and even if I manage to get a payout under there insurance it will be the seller that gets the mony

so much for ebay being a safe place to buy , I have in the past been riped off as a seller but first time as a buyer
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